Talking Libertarianism

Why Classical Liberals are the new Nazis. 15 min. You get the gist in the first few minutes.

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Some of you might like this. He breaks Libertarians into 7 different types. I’m curious to see if you agree with his categories, and if you find that you fit within one of them. I’ll aiming for full anarchist status by the time I’m 80, but for now I’m a Classical Liberal. He puts Dave Rubin in that category as well. Good company.

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If people were perfect I’d defer to anarcho-capitalism but until we figure out how to persuade people to be perfect, I fall more to classical liberal

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I was unaware Thomas Paine advocated for a land tax. The more you know. Trying to think through having a federal land tax. That’d be tough. Imagine trying to petition the IRS for a reassessment of your property value every year.

Somewhere between minarchist and classical liberal for me.

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I’m the opposite. I prefer anarcho-capitalism(which can really be summed up as a right to secede) BECAUSE people aren’t perfect. Given that we’re deeply flawed, I think the best solution is to permit voluntary association.

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Been riding his nuts for the last couple of weeks myself.

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I think he’d like that lol …

On a serious note, I listened to him and his interviews for like a month straight … going back to his days on the YT channel before Elder “awakened” him so to speak.

I think he’s a very level headed guy and gives pretty good interviews with some interesting people.

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I agree with you. Voluntary association isn’t a bad thing at all and in a perfect world AC makes all the sense in the world. Unfortunately, that’s not the world we inhabit at the moment and there’s a large swath of tribalism that absolutely won’t allow a think like AC thrive or survive - For now, CL is the thing that WOULD work well in the world we live in if only for the professional army to keep out/back the collectivist assholes who’d try to organize and take the AC’s productive, cooperative asses over at the drop of a hat. Envy is a helluva drug…

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Warren/Sanders campaign slogan for 2020!

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You would hope anarcho-capitalists understand a need for protection services, and I’m certain that every one I have read anything by does.

For what it’s worth, I don’t believe there are different types of libertarians. I believe there are libertarians, and statists. Libertarians don’t accept the initiation of force as a legitimate means by which to acquire anything. Statists accept the initiation of force as a legitimate means by which to acquire what they want.

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Oh shit lol. Didn’t think that comment through at all.

I’m just wrapping the Tim Pool one now.

The only ones I haven’t liked are Shaprio (whom I tend to really enjoy otherwise) and Lacy Green.

My favorite was with Blaire White. With Peterson a close second. But I could listen to Peterson ramble on and on pretty much anywhere.

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Have you read any Mises? There’s a story where Mises and his crew were talking (including Hayek and Friedman) and everyone was talking about the proper role of government or something like that and Mises stood up and called them all socialists lol … I always liked that story - Hayek being called a socialist lol

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I feel like that one was him paying lip service … plus she was soooooo nervous talking to him. Her voice was wavering wicked bad the entire interview.

I didn’t know if it was nerves or she was just going to burst out into tears at any moment.

Hats off to that women, she’s obviously worked/working through some serious shit, and internet fame really took a toll on her, but she’s really not my cup of tea lol.

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You catch the apparent shit show last night between Blair and Redpillblack?

I guess it was god awful and Candice said she wouldn’t say some of the things she said…

I don’t have an issue with RPB but she is obviously very new to “this side of the fence” lambastes a lot of the tired talking points and has a lot of passion. She blew up too quick, and I think she’ll get a lot better over time.

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It’s funny, I have had numerous people ask me about my political views that will agree with my general view. When I tell them I believe individual freedom is paramount and protecting individual rights is the role of government they agree up and down. Then when we discuss specifics like hate speech, gun control, healthcare etc it becomes apparent they like the words freedom and individual rights but don’t understand what that means. The language wars are real.

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I started watching it/listening to it this morning but had to switch to something less … distracting lol … fuckin’ right off the bat holy shit.

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I read that last night … Hayek talked about the left appropriating the word Liberal in the US way back in the 30’s and 40’s … nothing new but it’s up to us to correct and define the language as succinctly as possible when discussing anything

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But you also had the Republicans during the Reagan years using the term liberal to describe the left in such a way that it made the word toxic to the left even. Which brings up the question of why the right and/or GOP would want to make the word liberal = commie? IMO, liberalism needs to exist outside of simple left or right distinctions. For example: the left wants more government, the right less government. A true liberal should want the right amount of government for a given circumstance.

This is new to me - I’ve never heard that this occurred … not saying you’re lying but do you have an example or proof of this - like an article or something?

i.e. like a classical liberal? It’s a shame we’ve had to throw the term classical in front of liberal to make that distinction … unless I’m mistaken about what you’re talking about here…