Gotcha … however, you do realize I was making a poop joke originally?
I’m not talking about genetics. Take an African nation that was colonized and whose natural resources were used to benefit the colonizer. Even though the nation may no longer be a colony it still suffers from that original theft while the colonizers still benefit. They don’t need to be colonized to be dominated; the banks can do that just as easily.
Take blacks in this country. You can remove any legal barriers to success but some will still be starting at a disadvantage that was imposed by those who are at an advantage (or at least their ancestors). And if we say, well that’s nature, then we are saying that ideologies are irrelevant since nature will always find a way to impose herself on human behavior.
If you have to tell people something was a joke…
right?
This “evening out” takes time though. It isn’t like non-blacks just stopped developing and improving. It’s going to take time. We’ve even instituted laws that are “racist” in principle to try and flush the field as fast as possible.
These seem to say the same thing, so I’ll try and respond as best I can:
Nature WILL always impose itself, and a lot of the human condition is opposition to nature.
Take the West’s approach to any emotion that can ever so slightly be considered “bad” or “negative”. People will do anything on earth to not feel sad, ever. But that isn’t possible, and the sad just gets stuffed down, and manifests later.
The abortion argument is a rejection of nature at it’s most base levels. (This is a good topic to try and hang up Libertarians and libertarians alike.)
But to your point, sure, let’s say it’s utopian at best, what’s the alternative to not having a baseline system, or ideology?
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The Native People also took lands that belonged to someone else. The Pueblo tribes in Acoma and Laguna were there LONG before the Navajo and Apache people wandered down from Canada and Alaska, often warred with them, stole their property, and took their land.
You’d have to decide when in human history to freeze time.
I’m not making a judgement, just stating a fact. At the end of the day a nation, regardless of its supposed values, will always act in its best interests and how it acts will depend upon how powerful it is.
This might not be an alternative but flexibility should be part of it but flexibility and ideology don’t mix.
That is why being an abolitionist is the only reasonable position. No intervention can fix past interventions.
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Agreed. This is why trying to have a conversation with ancaps is frustrating.
But I do value their input and “bumper sticker” slogans more than others. It at least keeps the frame of reference a wee bit more in balance.
It seems people want to delegitimize conquest. And while I understand the emotional appeal to doing such a thing, I don’t think it’s possible in any rational sense of the word once a certain amount of time has past.
For example: The best argument I’ve ever heard for reparations of blacks in America was simply “we paid them to the Jews didn’t we?”. By this rationale we absolutely should pay reparations to blacks in America. Is it even a rational undertaking at this point in time? No, probably not. It would have been in 1870 though.
I’m not going to argue this assertion, as I tend to agree, but have you looked into the ultimatum game at all?
An aside on game theory experiments.
I use really basic behavioral economics/ game theory when I teach basic research in the social sciences. Utimatum Game, Dictator Game, Trust Game. Sometimes Centipede Game. They’re perfect for getting the kids very quickly participating in an experiment. So much fun. We’ll play for candy bars or dollar bills.
It’s fun for them to think about concepts like cooperation and fairness in other primates. For you guys with young kids. This is really fun. Four Minutes.
@SkyzykS for your little guy.
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Happy Halloween Libertarian thread. Wife has us all do our own pumpkin. Enjoy the holiday, or don’t the important thing is you’re free to. Forgive the artwork, not my forte. It’s like a porcupine stegasaurus hybrid… porc-u-saurus?
Since I did a libertarian themed pumpkin the wife decided to do a socialist one for balance:
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Love it. Ha! BTW, I know Skyzyks has a little cutie, but I think you might have a couple of little guys too. Enjoy them.
Happy Halloween to all of you. I’ve got a Mermaid this year. She spent lots of time sewing her costume herself. She’s our artist/ free spirit.
For your theme. Commie PumpKIM
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He liked it, but wanted to see them fight?!?
I do some task oriented stuff with him involving marshmallows or skittles. I guess its an exercise in reward proportion.
For relatively simple tasks (putting away toys) he’ll get 4 skittles, but if he comes out with me to cut the grass he gets 1 marshmallow to start and another when we’re done.
We also recently built a fire pit, which he was really excited about, because then we got to do a campfire (by cleaning up some branches and yard debris) and roasted marshmallows (when the fire pit was complete, yard work done).
Tonight though, he gets to just run around and get lots of candy! I’ll follow up later with a pic of the little pirate if you’d like.
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Teach him about taxation.
Eat some.
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He doesn’t like peanuts, so I get all of the reeses cups and snickers bars!
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That was great. Haha!
I like this quote. How to stop ideas…
"I regard free speech as a prerequisite to a civilized society, because freedom of speech means that you can have combat with words. That’s what it means. It doesn’t mean that people can happily and gently exchange opinions.
It means that we can engage in combat with words. In the battleground of ideas. And the reason that that’s acceptable, and why it’s acceptable that people’s feelings get hurt during that combat, is that the combat of ideas is far preferable to actual combat."
We make order by articulating truth and then we inhabit the order. The order is the negotiated social agreements we come to to live among each other without tearing each other to shreds — which is basically what chimpanzees do to each other — so we need to negotiate the social order and we do that through articulated speech.
~ Dr Jordan Peterson
For some contrast.
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