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Taking AAS on a Domestic Flight?


#1

I am going on a ten week test E. cycle 250mg e3d starting next week. In the second half of the cycle we are going to Hawaii for nine days. Weâ??ll be flying from California so my question is, will there be an issue getting the test on the plane with our carry on? We won't have any suit cases just back packs. I have full access to a gym while there too so training will not suffer.


#2

I wouldnt take it as a carry on, I would feel much better about checking it.

I have buddies over seas who have filled up little shampoo bottles but I dont like that practice.


#3

Little shampoo bottles would not appeal to me. But glass bottles of for example jojoba oil, from the health food store as skin care items, are suitable IMO once cleaned out.


#4

thats a good idea.What do you put on top of it once you open it in place of the rubber stopper.


#5

I've used the provided cap. I don't find it a big deal to pour into syringes rather than drawing, given it's being done in a room with apparently nice clean air and so forth.

A convenient way of handling caps is soaking a fresh paper towel, from a little into the roll, with rubbing alcohol and using that as the means of handling the cap.


#6

do you think taking the label off the bottle and putting it in a bag next to my razor, soap,ect going through the x-ray machine would be to big of a chance? I would hate to pour it into another bottle.


#7

Please keep these post off the public forums and into the PM area. Discussing these methods in the open is not a wise practice gentlemen.

cheers


#8

stick it in your butt

if you want tips on proper inserting technique pm me


#9

1) I am horrifically behind on PM's so that would not be so workable

2) I don't need you pronouncing judgment on the wisdom of what I discuss. Simply not required. Thanx


#10

Oh please. You have to be kidding...


#11

fair enough.


#12

You will have to have it in a plastic bag with other items that are liquid in nature. If you don't put it in the plastic bag and leave it inside your carry-on you have a 90% chance of it being seen as a liquid inside your carry on and they will search your bag. They search my bag about 50% of the time because protein powder can look like a liquid on the scanner.
Also, if you just rip off the label and stick it in the plastic bag, they will (usually) require it to have some sort of Rx associated with it. They usually don't fuck with pills, but liquid they do.

As others have mentioned, just put it in a different type of container, stick it in the plastic bag, run the fucker through and enjoy your vacation.


#13

Yep i think you are right. No use taking a chance..... I'll just use an oil glass bottle and fill it with what I need and go from there. Thanks guys for the advise.


#14

How do you keep it sterile transferring it to a glass bottle? I'd be scared of injecting it after. Even heating it in the oven wouldn't sterilize it unless one had an autoclave.


#15

Rinse bottle thoroughly with 91% isopropyl alcohol (70% would be okay if need be.) Pour in, cap, shake thoroughly, repeat a couple of times, and let sit for some time on the last occasion before emptying.

Handle the cap with fresh paper towel or tissue (not one that has moisturizers added) that is soaked with rubbing alcohol.

Do all this in a room that seems to have nice clean air, not some dusty place.

Add oil either by removing stopper from vials and pouring, or transfer with multiple syringe draws.


#16

Is this theoretical or have you done so successfully? I didn't think isopropyl would sterilize it but I have no substantial reason for thinking this other than my understanding of how to sterilize vials. This is a topic I have great interest in.


#17

I have been doing this kind of thing for 11 years now including the above method.

I also have a degree in microbiology.

I think you have an overexpectation in demanding sterility in the literal sense. What is important is not having pathogenic bacteria in a load sufficent to have any likelihood to cause infection. The above method, in a room with reasonably clean air by ordinary standards, actually is likely to allow literally no pathogenic bacteria, but most likely not literally zero bacteria. However there is no requirement for literal zero, as idealistically nice as it might be.

If one wanted, warming the bottle afterwards to 72 C for a period of a few minutes would be sufficient to kill whatever small and unimportant amount of bacteria there might be, but I have never bothered. It would not kill spores. That would be beyond hope.


#18

(previous post hasn't appeared yet)

It would also be relevant how frequently I do this sort of thing.

Most of my vials are reused and I have always washed them this way.

While not at all often using glass bottles with a cap (though that has been done many times) the number of times I've poured from a vial -- removing the stopper -- into the back of a syringe rather than drawing has surely been in the hundreds. Same sort of exposure to air.

For that matter, in many cases stoppers aren't airtight after a while and they take in room air in routine use. It is also a common practice for the user to draw room air of the same volume as will be drawn from the vial, inject the air, and then draw the oil. In fact that method is taught in pharmacy school.

So you see it is perfectly routine for injected solutions to, in practice, get some exposure to room air. Keep it limited, don't do it in a room with air that is of poorer cleanliness than usually can be readily found, but there is no need to be paranoid about it. Death or even illness will not result from injecting a quite small number of non-pathogenic bacteria or for that matter even a quite small number of most pathogenic ones.

Final thought: you are going to inject many, many more bacteria from skin flora remaining after an alcohol wipe, via their being picked up by the needle, than you ever will from what happened from exposure to air by the methods described.


#19

Why don't you just mail it to your hotel ahead of time? It will be waiting on you when you get there!


#20

Thanks for all the info. Very good to know for those of us not in the field of microbiology. Your input is appreciated.