100 % Dave.
There’s a bit too much bullshit with Aussie MT. Too much wanting to be a Thai like their way is the only way. Guys flat out atheists or not religious at all suddenly acting like they’re holy Buddhist, getting sacred inscriptions, performing their ritual movements, ram muay before fights (which look absolutely horrible compared to the real thing) and then just straight up trying to act like a Thai in the ring too.
Like the MMA world, MT has it’s fair share of the equivalent of Tap Out T shirt wearers, except they are all sak yant covered fags who buckle when the take a lick or two.
I trained at a MT gym after my trainer shut shop. My original trainer taught it all, proper boxing movement and proper kicking and punching that worked. I would say he was more Euro styled but still respected the Thai styles. Towards the end, I was privy enough for the aforementioned Sakio Bika camp and trainer to become a part of our gym.
Something that always bothered me was I felt I was sloppy with hands compared to a boxer. So this was my chance. Boy did I get my ass handed to me. So when I went to another gym and these guys are meant to be great MT fighters, I was shocked at how easy it was for me to rag doll a lot of their blokes around. Even in sparring I would get fed up and just cover up and tell them to load the fuck up and hit hard.
Their balance is all fucked up, someone like hopkin-esque understanding of fundamentals and footwork could cut short angles and tip tap these guys off balance. Their weight was all fucked up as they stood their in an attempt to prance their front feet around like a thai. Guards were way too wide, all over the place and easy to penetrate. There was no such thing as angles and basics like back and forth or short step off to the side alluded them. It was a fake display of authority but it was easily overcome.
Something I was thankful I learned before gym shut shop. As I get older although I still love to kick the fuck out of peoples legs, I really thoroughly enjoy the technicality and sweet science of Boxing that Muay Thai needs 100 years to catch up to and only if they are humble enough to admit that they suck at.
The Dutch understand this and have been practising it for 3-4 decades and burying thais. They’re the only ones to embarrass them.
It’s a bunch of bullshit. The MT crowds have got their heads up their asses as much as MMA crowds do and think they are invincible. Without a boxing base your MT is always gonna be second grade. Even our best here in OZ, the likes of JWP have solid boxing backgrounds. Nathan Carnage, guy who floored Spong has an excellent boxing trainer (well he is a kick boxing trainer with sound knowledge of boxing). His hands and elbows are lethal and foot work good for a kick boxer/thai stylist.
Everyone else is just a kicker who punches. The Melbourne scene is a little different, they do focus a lot more on k1 styles, they’ve adapted knees and a little grappling to be able to mingle within the fight circles but they have better hand work than the rest of the states. Unfortunately they’re also a little more scared to fight full thai rules and remain in their k1 style circles mostly.
Qld is famous for having better Thai style but they can be a little fart assed about it sometimes. Then like I mentioned you have the likes of JWP, Nathan Corbett. Shaggy King etc who do have much better hands than most but yeah, generally they’re just lazy fucks who pretend to practise some sacred form of martial art that can’t be fucked with.
Much like sticky hands Kung Fu dumb fucks who get knocked the fuck out when their opponent doesn’t stand knee knocking and hips collapsed in front of them giving them their hands and instead throws a quick overhand right and left rip to floor them. Then they have stick face from the blood trickling down their face from hitting the pavement.
There is some risk associated with too much bobbing and weaving mayweather style as it does allow an easier latch on but a simple slip under, or tyson-esque short bob under punches is never going to put you in too much danger and besides it’s not like you’d be bobbing from 1.5 meters out where a step up knee or a kick is easier to be caught by. It’s usually when the range is cut off and should be at angles as we do in boxing. MT fighters have a stupid habit of circling towards the power hand which as we know in boxing is rule number 1 no no…