T Supp for Fat Guy

I am at about 25% body fat (down from 31). I have had blood work done twice and both have shown low testosterone (127ng/dl and 265ng/dl). I understand that high body fat tends to cause T to be converted into estrogen.

I was thinking about getting some Alpha Male but I’m worried that any increase in T might just be converted to E.

Would I be better off getting some REZ-V?

I’ve been doing a full body routine 3 times a week for the last couple of months. Recently I just switched to a 4 day a week split. I’ve lost 40lbs over the last 2 years. I’ve improved my diet significantly. Much more balanced and little to no processed carbs.

I’ve been reading all the benefits of high test but basically got yelled at by my moron doc when I brought up the idea of HRT. As I realize HRT is a big step… I’d like to try and increase T levels by using all other options before seriously considering HRT.

Seems like a viscous cycle… higher T will help you tone up and possibly lose weight on the other hand… lose weight and T might go up.

Short-term goal is to lose the fat. Long-term I’d like to add a fair amount of lean mass.

Thanks for any input.

-Ontrack

You have to realize that 25% is normal. Maybe not for the readers of this site but in real life it is and that means that your testosterone levels should be close to normal too.

The first thing I was thinking when reading your testosterone level was HRT because it is really awfully low.

How old are you and you are not on a low fat diet, are you?

I had the same thoughts as Orion.

Post your current diet and training, that may give some more insight.

Also, continue to lose fat/build muscle, that would definitely help.

Last week I started “War Room Strategies to Maximize Fat Loss” found here: http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1499282&cr=

Day 1: Heavy lifting chest/back + alactic work
Day 2: Lactate-inducing workout 1 + 20-30 minutes of steady-state aerobic work
Day 3: OFF
Day 4: Heavy lifting quads/hams
Day 5: OFF
Day 6: Lactate-inducing workout 2 + 20-30 minutes of steady-state aerobic work
Day 7: OFF

Before that I was alternating 2 different full body routines based on lifts like squats, deads, lunges, bench press, rows, pull downs, shoulder presses and ab work.

My diet is not exactly structured other than I follow a few rules:

-no sugar based drinks, I drink water and tea 99% of the time
-no foods based on white flower or processed carbs, only whole grains
-protein with every meal
-5 to 6 small meals a day

I’m not on a low fat diet. If it is low fat its not intentional.

If I were to start TRT would the extra T just be transformed into E because of the extra body fat? I’m 30 years old, 5’9" and 225lbs.

[quote]ontrack wrote:
Last week I started “War Room Strategies to Maximize Fat Loss” found here: http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1499282&cr=

Day 1: Heavy lifting chest/back + alactic work
Day 2: Lactate-inducing workout 1 + 20-30 minutes of steady-state aerobic work
Day 3: OFF
Day 4: Heavy lifting quads/hams
Day 5: OFF
Day 6: Lactate-inducing workout 2 + 20-30 minutes of steady-state aerobic work
Day 7: OFF

Before that I was alternating 2 different full body routines based on lifts like squats, deads, lunges, bench press, rows, pull downs, shoulder presses and ab work.

My diet is not exactly structured other than I follow a few rules:

-no sugar based drinks, I drink water and tea 99% of the time
-no foods based on white flower or processed carbs, only whole grains
-protein with every meal
-5 to 6 small meals a day

I’m not on a low fat diet. If it is low fat its not intentional.

If I were to start TRT would the extra T just be transformed into E because of the extra body fat? I’m 30 years old, 5’9" and 225lbs.[/quote]

If you were on HRT there are aromatase inhibitors that prevent the conversion of T in E.

However, I think a full body check is highly in order to find out what causes your low T.

My doc seems to think it’s because I’m overweight. But my retort to that is what about guys that are far more overweight then me with normal T levels.

Orion makes a good point. Have your doctor (or possibly a specialist) give you the whole shebang regarding your low T-levels. Your weight may very well be a contributor to your low T, but I would look further.

Additionally, regarding your weight, if you want to lose it, go on Chris Shugart’s Velocity Diet. While I’ve not tried it myself, I’ve seen its effects in the Physique Clinic and on these forums, and it obviously works.

[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
Orion makes a good point. Have your doctor (or possibly a specialist) give you the whole shebang regarding your low T-levels. Your weight may very well be a contributor to your low T, but I would look further.

Additionally, regarding your weight, if you want to lose it, go on Chris Shugart’s Velocity Diet. While I’ve not tried it myself, I’ve seen its effects in the Physique Clinic and on these forums, and it obviously works.[/quote]

Are you fucking me? The guy is a little lost on fat-loss/t-levels, and you go “Velocity diet… no I’ve never tried it, but I stayed at a holiday in express last night.”

Honestly, I’ve seen a competitor with low-t win a natural bodybuilding contest, so don’t think you can’t get in great shape.

Here’s your mission:

  1. Set a goal. (think about what your ideal physique can be)
  2. Take measurements (pictures, calipers, body tape, scale, and HEALTH PANNEL — T levels included!)
  3. Write out the steps you’re going to take to achieve the goal set in number 1.
  4. Find a successful diet plan that’s been used before on this website, or on another resource.
  5. Design meal plan based on diet selected in 4, and apply exactly what is stated in this article: http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1887006
  6. After 2 weeks do the first 4 parts on number 2. If things aren’t going the way you want, change your diet plan.

If people were more structured with their eating, they wouldn’t be so confused and lost so often.

[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
[b]Here’s your mission:

  1. Set a goal. (think about what your ideal physique can be)
  2. Take measurements (pictures, calipers, body tape, scale, and HEALTH PANNEL — T levels included!)
  3. Write out the steps you’re going to take to achieve the goal set in number 1.
  4. Find a successful diet plan that’s been used before on this website, or on another resource.
  5. Design meal plan based on diet selected in 4, and apply exactly what is stated in this article:
    http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1887006
  6. After 2 weeks do the first 4 parts on number 2. If things aren’t going the way you want, change your diet plan.

If people were more structured with their eating, they wouldn’t be so confused and lost so often.[/b][/quote]

Excellent post. Dunno if it’s gonna help the OP but that is about the most concise and poignant series of pointers for the newbie I’ve seen.

This site is LOADED with info, but at the end of the day (or perhaps more appropriately at the start of a “new day” as it were) this is really all you need to do to start that forward progression…

Don

[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
Are you fucking me? The guy is a little lost on fat-loss/t-levels, and you go “Velocity diet… no I’ve never tried it, but I stayed at a holiday in express last night.”[/quote]

My statement about the Velocity Diet was made apart from my comments regarding his low testosterone levels. Let’s take a look (emphasis added to compensate for your ignorance):

See that? I was offering a suggestion regarding his weight problem. No offense to the guy, but 5’9"/225lbs isn’t too great, and if he’s worried about his weight, the Velocity Diet is a great way to help him in that regards.

It’s not like I merely heard the words “Velocity Diet” and automatically started recommending it to everyone I know. I’ve read Shugart’s article on the V-Diet and have followed the various people who are on it and paid close attention to how they’ve done it. I didn’t make a blind statement like you think I did.

Thanks for playing.

I appreciate EVERYONE’S thoughts and advice. While I’m certainly not ripped or shredded by any means I don’t consider myself to be a total newb. I’ve gone from 275 to 225 over the course of 2 years. While I might not have lost it very fast I think the more important thing is that I have managed to keep it off and not bounce up in down in weight by dieting.

I have changed my lifestyle. I have learned about nutrition. I’ve learned to goto the gym with a plan and a purpose.

These are the things I have learned from the likes of T-Nation and JSF.com as primarily a lurker over the last 2 years.

The intent of my initial post was to determine if a supplement like Alpha Male or Rez-V would be beneficial in my case. I guess I will just to try one or both and find out. Like I said, HRT is a MAJOR step. I’d like to try these other things first. In the meantime, I have not even found a doctor open minded enough to consider that I might have a T problem.