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T Enth, Deca, Tren Ace, HGH, Slin: 16 wks


#1

Hey guys,

I'm planning my next cycle, and it'd be great to get some critique.

Testosterone enanthate 1500mg per wk (w1-16).
Deca 400mg per wk (w1-14).
Trenbolone acetate 245-350mg per wk (w4-11).
Pramipexole 3.5mg per wk (w1-16).
Cabergoline 0.5mg per wk (w1-3) then 0.75 mg per wk (w4-14).
HGH (either Hygetropin or Jintropin: any thoughts?) 14iu per wk (w1-16).
Insulin aspart (NovoRapid) 42iu per wk (w1-16).
Arimidex / Anastrozole 3.5mg per wk (w1-16) then dropping each week to 0.84mg in w18.
Letrozole 3.78mg per wk (w17), 2.52mg per wk (w18), 1.26mg per wk (w19).
Exemestane 210mg per wk (w18-20) then 168mg in w21.
Nolva around 140mg per wk (w18-19).
Clomid around 350mg per wk (w18-19).
HCG 700iu per wk (w1), 500iu per wk (w2-14), 1400iu per wk (w15-16).

Minoxidil and azelaic acid on scalp (I'm prone to hairloss).

The idea is a bulk. I will be training heavy, about 2-3hrs per day, between five and seven days per week, both for strength and hypertrophy. I'll be giving Smolov a go for the first time.

Calories I will start around 4000 per day, and will increase over the weeks. Protein at 2g per lb of bodymass.

Let me know your ideas and critique.

Thanks,
Jarngreipr.


#2

Are you Bostin loyd?


#3

three different AIs and two different DAs? What’s your logic behind that?


#4

Haha, you think this is too much stuff? Okay. But what do you think I could get rid of?


#5

Two different DAs because I want to see which works best. I already have some Pramipexole, and since I don’t have enough, rather than ordering more of the same, I want to try Cabergoline out to see how it works for me.

The AIs because Adex is a good general one for long-term use, but doesn’t necessarily get rid of oestrogen as efficiently as the others; and letrozole for a short time because it’s more potent but doesn’t cut it out entirely; and exemestane during PCT because it inactivates any oestrogen. This inactivation is good for the short term only, because the joints can suffer from a lack of oestrogen. And also because I’d like to experiment with what works best for me.


#6

[quote]Jarngreipr wrote:
Haha, you think this is too much stuff? Okay. But what do you think I could get rid of?[/quote]

what are your stats? I mean if you are like 280lbs then yeah, it’s fine, but if you weigh like 150 it’s a little too much.

Also you only need letro and caber, you don’t need the other AIs or the prami


#7

At the moment, around 190lb. What would you reduce?

With 400mg per week of Trenbolone acetate and 245-350mg per week of Deca, I want to make sure I have enough dopamine receptor agonists for prolactin control. What would you think a good weekly dose for Cabergoline, if you’re suggesting that?

I like your idea of using letrozole instead of arimidex. What weekly dosage of letrozole would you use, given the information above?

Thanks for you advice, guys.


#8

Lower your test the Deca and tren looks fine. You weigh 190lba there is zero reason for you need to run over a gram of test. This is coming from some one who used to run cycles bigger than this.


#9

mate at 190lbs that is WAY too much gear. What were your previous cycles?


#10

Have you done any blood work?


#11

jesus, what does that cost you?

i’m not an experienced hGH user, but 2 IU’s a day might help keep you lean and good for “anti-aging” purposes, but not not known as being that great for bulking purposes… i think guys are running 5 IU’s or more a day for that.

your PCT for that is gonna need to be way longer than that… i would scrap the nolva/clomid and plan on running tore at 60 mg/day for 12 weeks.


#12

My jaw hit the floor when he said he weighs 190.

How tall are you? If you’re like 5’2, this makes way more sense. If you’re anywhere close to an average height, that is a shit ton of gear, even if you’re close to contest condition (which I assume you’re not. correct me if I’m wrong).


#13

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
My jaw hit the floor when he said he weighs 190.

How tall are you? If you’re like 5’2, this makes way more sense. If you’re anywhere close to an average height, that is a shit ton of gear, even if you’re close to contest condition (which I assume you’re not. correct me if I’m wrong).[/quote]

me too. That’s more gear than Shadow Pro runs!

Mate, you need to regress this shit right back. Do like 600 test, 40 deca or something. That’ll be plenty.


#14

Alright. Thanks for your advice. Let’s see if I can simplify it. I can do more complex stuff on subsequent cycles. What would you think about the following?:

T Enth 800mg / wk (w 1-12)
Deca 200mg / wk (w 1-10)
Tren Ace 130mg / wk (w 4-10)
Caber 0.5mg / wk (w 1-11)
Letro 1.75mg / wk (w 1-12)
Exemestane 210mg / wk (w 13-15) & 120mg / wk (w 16)
hCG 700iu / wk (w 1-10) & 1400iu / wk (w 11-13)
Toremifene 120mg days 1-3 of w 14; 90mg days 4-7 of w 14; 90mg ed w 15; 60mg ed w 16; 30mg ed w 17.

Your advice is well appreciated.


#15

Also, I already have 1000mg of Nolva in my possession; I’m adding Toremifene in here to see how it works. Let me know your thoughts on the adjusted cycle, plus your ideas on nolva v toremifene for post-cycle therapy, and dosages. Were I do use Nolva instead of toremifene, I’d go for a taper with:

Nolva 40mg per day w14-15; 30mg per day w16; 20mg per day w17; 10mg per day w18.


#16

Don’t see the point of running tren and deca both that low. Drop tren increase deca or vice versa.

Hgh run as much as you can afford. 2 iu a day is better than nothing but won’t do much


#17

[quote]Jarngreipr wrote:
Alright. Thanks for your advice. Let’s see if I can simplify it. I can do more complex stuff on subsequent cycles. What would you think about the following?:

T Enth 800mg / wk (w 1-12)
Deca 200mg / wk (w 1-10)
Tren Ace 130mg / wk (w 4-10)
Caber 0.5mg / wk (w 1-11)
Letro 1.75mg / wk (w 1-12)
Exemestane 210mg / wk (w 13-15) & 120mg / wk (w 16)
hCG 700iu / wk (w 1-10) & 1400iu / wk (w 11-13)
Toremifene 120mg days 1-3 of w 14; 90mg days 4-7 of w 14; 90mg ed w 15; 60mg ed w 16; 30mg ed w 17.

Your advice is well appreciated.
[/quote]

you may be going a little light on the letro IMO.

I would personally run more deca, and there is nothing wrong with running tren alongside deca… they work well together. I would run at least a gram of test…if you are going to shut yourself down, might as well go harder.

I wouldn’t use prami… it killed my appetite insanely bad… and if you are going to grow, you need to eat.

you may not see much in the way of benefit from 2iu GH, assuming it’s Chinese generic…but some mild fat loss is possible.

keep an eye on your blood pressure…a close eye


#18

I would do:

test E 1g/week
deca 600mg/week
tren E 400mg/week (or A 100mg EOD)

Hum/Nov R 8iu upon waking, 15 iu pre-workout (assuming you know what you’re doing… if you don’t…don’t touch insulin)
letro 1.25mg EOD

I don’t get prolactin sides so I don’t use DA… Im on for life so I don’t PCT either


#19

just from reading about jintropin that stuff is hard as fuck to find no?


#20

Okay, how about?:

T Enth 1000mg / wk (w 1-12)
Deca 265mg / wk (w 1-10)
Tren Ace 165mg / wk (w 4-10)
Caber 0.5mg / wk (w 1-11)
Letro 4.375mg / wk (1.25mg eod) (w 1-12)
Exemestane 210mg / wk (w 13-15) & 120mg / wk (w 16)
hCG 700iu / wk (w 1-10) & 1400iu / wk (w 11-13)
Toremifene 120mg days 1-3 of w 14; 90mg days 4-7 of w 14; 90mg ed w 15; 60mg ed w 16; 30mg ed w 17.
Nolva 40mg per day w14-15; 30mg per day w16; 20mg per day w17; 10mg per day w18.

I’ll leave out insulin and hGH this time. I’ll do them in my next, or a subsequent, cycle.

Cheers, guys.