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Sust 250 First Cycle - Some Questions

Hi everyone,

I’m 25 years old, 202 pounds, 10% bf, 6’2. Been lifting for about 5 years now.

I’m keen to run the following for my first cycle:

W 1-10 Sustanon 250mg (125mg E3D)

W 6-10 Proviron 50mg/d (25mg 2x/d)

W 13 Clomid 100mg/d (50mg 2x/d)

W 14-15 Clomid 25mg/d

Nolva 20mg/d if gyno symptoms pop up

I had a few questions that I wanted to ask the board members their opinion on:

  1. For my first cycle, would it be better to keep the Sust at 250mg / week, or 500mg / week?

  2. Would there be any advantage to running a 10 week cycle of Test Enth 250mg / week instead? I�??ve been going through a bunch of forums for days now, trying to decide which would be a better first cycle choice. I�??m leaning towards Sust.

  3. Would it be unwise not use HCG (I’d rather not if its not that big an issue)?
    E.g. W13-14: 5000IU
    W15: 2500IU

Thanks in advance for any info

  1. I think 500 mg would be much more worth your while. Even 400 mg would be a lot better.

  2. Enanthate is usually better for beginners, because you only have to inject twice per week, instead of EOD.

  3. HCG shouldn’t be used for PCT at those high doses. Best way is 200-300 iu 2x week, throughout cycle if possible. For your first 10 week cycle, it shouldn’t be necessary, although it can help and make for a smoother transition.

250mg is a cruise or TRT dose, not a cycle dose.

Secondly sustanon should ideally be injected EOD due to the different esters.

Go with Test E, run 500mg instead of 250mg, start your PCT at week 12 and not 11.

Thanks for the info guys. Guess i’m gonna go with Test E 500mg/week, with PCT starting 2 weeks after the last pin

Ok it seems that the only test e I can get my hands on comes in 100mg amps (Pretty sure its human-grade TRT stuff, as my mate said he gets them ‘from a doctor’).

The plan is to pin 200mg E3D. Can somebody kindly suggest the best way to do this? I.e. should I just pin 2mL in one go? Or is 2mL too much to pin into a virgin muscle?

Thanks

2ml should be fine in the conventional sites Glutes, ventroglutes, quad, and delt. Theres a good chance the site is going to hurt no matter how little you inject if it is a virgin muscle, but that will fade.

Cheers Bonez

Hey guys I have another question: I went to buy needles but the only length they had in stock was 1"…I was wondering if it is still possible to pin glutes with this needle length? My bodyfat is pretty low (less than 10% for sure)

Otherwise I’ll have to go and get 1.5" ones, but then i’d feel like a complete idiot for buying 30 needles I can’t use :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]GGlife wrote:
Hey guys I have another question: I went to buy needles but the only length they had in stock was 1"…I was wondering if it is still possible to pin glutes with this needle length? My bodyfat is pretty low (less than 10% for sure)

Otherwise I’ll have to go and get 1.5" ones, but then i’d feel like a complete idiot for buying 30 needles I can’t use :P[/quote]

If your lean enough I think 1 inch pins are fine for glutes. I use them for glutes/quads/shoulders and have been fine.

I also have 1.5 inch pins and have used them for glutes. I don’t notice any difference.

DG

Thanks DG