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Sus250 Water Weight


#1

Hi All,

Quick update before i get to the post. Just over 3 weeks post show and 1 week into PCT, everything is on point and have no issues. Weight is holding comfortable at 230 (Still down 20lb from bulk weight but im much leaner after the show).

So i'm throwing around some ideas for my next cycle (still quite a while away however) and i was thinking about running high test alone, possibly with low tren or deca as well. Say i was to go sus250 at 750/week. What are your experiences with the water weight from it? I got a pretty decent moon face going at 600 test e and 400 deca so im not sure how 750 sust would be..

Cheers
Jekyll


#2

Haven’t used sustanon yet but I’m switching to it too for that same reason. It’s supposedly the long esters that make you retain water. At 3cc’s per week, you would only be getting 300mg test decanoate, not much at all. Prop and phenylprop are short esters, isocaproate just a little longer.

I’ll be starting next monday so I can post results.

Gonna post any pics from your show?


#3

i think for TRT, sustanon is an interesting choice. but with higher doses, and the eventual PCT, i think it sucks.

i kinda go into an explanation as to why i dislike sustanon in this thread:


#4

So basically you dislike it because from the higher numbers is drops really quick then with the longer esters it then drops down below TRT? Or did i read it wrong?

If its the case of dropping fast wouldnt ED pins be sufficient to keep levels stable?


#5

i really don’t see the point in sust, i think it’s stupid, run enth, cyp, or prop, no need to over complicate things.


#6

I’d probably lean towards enth then, cant get cyp and running higher prop at similar numbers would cost me an arm and a leg here in Aus.


#7

I agree sust isn’t exactly ideal, but you could use it just fine without any issue.

I mean say you are doign the 750mg a week you were planning, you could pin 250mg on Mon/Wed/Fri which would be pretty much often enough so that the different ester lengths wouldn’t make a difference.

Just an idea…


#8

My understanding most of the sust you get in perth is pharmacy grade so its better quality then some of the shitty ugl’s that are floating around atm. personally i didn’t notice anything different between test e and sust for cycling i dont think it would be the best though.


#9

[quote]kenny-mccormick wrote:
My understanding most of the sust you get in perth is pharmacy grade so its better quality then some of the shitty ugl’s that are floating around atm. personally i didn’t notice anything different between test e and sust for cycling i dont think it would be the best though.[/quote]

Thats good to hear, i’d probably lean towards my more expensive source over here if im going for Sus250. $240/10ml compared to $150/10ml i think it is. If i go for enth i’d go my cheap source because i know its good (used before)


#10

[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:
So basically you dislike it because from the higher numbers is drops really quick then with the longer esters it then drops down below TRT? Or did i read it wrong?

If its the case of dropping fast wouldnt ED pins be sufficient to keep levels stable?[/quote]

yeah, i think that would work… like Yogi said, EOD would be decent, too. i personally think if one is doing more frequent injections, ya might as well do prop or something like that.

the PCT is still a headache with sust, though.


#11

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:
So basically you dislike it because from the higher numbers is drops really quick then with the longer esters it then drops down below TRT? Or did i read it wrong?

If its the case of dropping fast wouldnt ED pins be sufficient to keep levels stable?[/quote]

yeah, i think that would work… like Yogi said, EOD would be decent, too. i personally think if one is doing more frequent injections, ya might as well do prop or something like that.

the PCT is still a headache with sust, though. [/quote]

PCT would be difficult because of the ester lengths yeah? Would it be easier to say do 10 week cycle, then 1/2 weeks of prop at TRT dose then go into PCT from there?


#12

The decoanate ester is just longer than cyp or enanthate, so I’d say wait closer to 3 weeks instead of 2 before starting PCT


#13

[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:
So basically you dislike it because from the higher numbers is drops really quick then with the longer esters it then drops down below TRT? Or did i read it wrong?

If its the case of dropping fast wouldnt ED pins be sufficient to keep levels stable?[/quote]

yeah, i think that would work… like Yogi said, EOD would be decent, too. i personally think if one is doing more frequent injections, ya might as well do prop or something like that.

the PCT is still a headache with sust, though. [/quote]

PCT would be difficult because of the ester lengths yeah? Would it be easier to say do 10 week cycle, then 1/2 weeks of prop at TRT dose then go into PCT from there?[/quote]
What is “trt dose”? there is no set trt dose, your better off just running prop for the last week or two then pct or taper down with prop or like TM said just pct 3 weeks after last pin no need to complicate it


#14

Ah okay gotcha. Cheers fellas.


#15

[quote]TheTaskmaster wrote:
The decoanate ester is just longer than cyp or enanthate, so I’d say wait closer to 3 weeks instead of 2 before starting PCT[/quote]

i believe the deca ester is almost 2 weeks, whereas the enanthate ester is 4.5 days. and the issue here isn’t so much the slow ester, is the rapid drop off from the fast esters, with the slow esters still hanging around…