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Surge vs. Other Brands

I was just wondering if Surge is comparable to other brand of MRP’s such as GNC’s MRP. I personally dont have a problem with taking supplements, however my parents do and I have to go behind their back to the local GNC to buy my current supps.

I am using GNC Whey Protein, Spike from time to time, and GNC Fish Oil as of right now, but I am looking for a PWO drink similar to Surge that I can easily access without going online.

Here are the specs for the GNC MRP:

Mega MRP? is an advanced sports meal replacement designed to stimulate protein synthesis and fuel muscle cells.
Includes a quality protein blend along with Aminogen?, Carbogen? and other important ingredients such as complex carbohydrates, BCAA, Glutamine, and Creatine to help fuel your skelatal muscles.

Features 40 grams per serving of a proprietary protein blend from milk, egg and whey proteins.
Each serving supplies a minimum of 5 grams of glutamine, 3 grams of which are free-form and at least 2 grams are provided from the whey
protein.

Also combines 2.5 grams of creatine and important vitamins and minerals with carbohydrates.
Add contents of this packet to 2 cups (16 fl.oz) of cold water, milk or juice and thoroughly mix in a shaker or blender. The nutritional information below applies to dry powder mixed with water. When mixing with milk or juice, adjust nutrition information accodingly.

Serving Size 1 pak(s)
Servings Per Container 20

Amount Per Serving % DV

Calories 280.00 5%

Calories from Fat 30.00 30%

Total Fat 3.50 g 8%

Saturated Fat 1.50 g 26%

Cholesterol 90.00 mg 7%

Sodium 200.00 mg 12%

Potassium 900.00 mg 80%

Total Carbohydrate 22.00 g

Dietary Fiber 3.00 g

Sugars 4.00 g

Protein 40.00 g

Vitamin A 1250.00 IU 25%

Vitamin C 15.00 mg 25%

Calcium 550.00 mg 55%

Vitamin D 100.00 IU 25%

Vitamin E 7.50 IU 25%

Vitamin K 20.00 mcg 25%

Thiamin 0.38 mg 25%

Riboflavin 0.43 mg 25%

Niacin 5.00 mg 25%

Vitamin B-6 0.50 mg 25%

Folic Acid 100.00 mcg 25%

Vitamin B-12 1.50 mcg 25%

Biotin 75.00 mcg 25%

Pantothenic Acid 2.50 mg 25%

Phosphorus 600.00 mg 60%

Iodine 37.50 mcg 25%

Magnesium 100.00 mg 25%

Zinc 3.75 mg 25%

Selenium 17.50 mcg 25%

Copper 0.50 mg 25%

Manganese 0.50 mg 25%

Chromium 30.00 mcg 25%

Molybdenum 18.75 mcg 25%

Chloride 680.00 mg 20%

Other Ingredients: Creatine Monohydrate, Aminogen, Carbogen, Caramel Color, Sucralose, Artificial Chocolate Flavor, Natural Chocolate Flavor, Maltodextrin, Natural Vanilla Flavor, Artificial Vanilla Flavor, Xanthan Gum, Pro Performance (Whey Protein Concentrate, Milk Protein Concentrate, Calcium Caseinate, Egg Albumen, L-Glutamine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Valine, L-Isoleucine, L-Methionine, Dipentene (Limonene), Salt, Magnesium Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin E (as natural d-alpha Tocopheryl Succinate), Niacinamide, Vitamin A Palmitate, Potassium Iodide, Zinc Oxide, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin K (Phytonadione), Copper Sulfate, Di-Calcium Phosphate, Manganese Sulfate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Pyridoxine HCl, Riboflavin, Molybdenum Glycinate, Thiamin (as Thiamin Mononitrate), Selenomethionine, Chromium (as Chromium Picolinate), Cyanocobalamin, Cholecalciferol)

Sorry if that was really long but I want a good result to my question. Thanks.

Isn’t the MRP a meal replacement? I don’t think it is suitable as a PWO. You can’t compare a MRP with Surge, a specialised PWO product.

They are totally different supplements. If you won’t use Surge, use low/no-fat chocolate milk or whey protein and grape juice.

Firstly is your diet in order? I wouldn’t worry about more supplements until your diet is proper. If it is, good.

Are you spending their money on supplements or you own? This could be an issue. If you are spending your own money on them, then buy what you want. It isn’t illegal or immoral. Have it shipped to a friend’s house or something. What type of gym do you go to? If you know the guy that owns the joint (smaller gyms) then ask if you can have it shipped to the gym. Doesn’t hurt to ask.

Have you tried explaining to them what supplements actually do (and that protein powder is a food)? Try talking to them about it, be informed and ready to answer any questions…like, “Creatine is a steroid!” (See how it isn’t actually a question, you have to be ready for those too :wink: )

Stick to Surge, or a malto/whey/BCAA shake PWO. I can get malto pretty cheap in my area, once I found it.

I am spending my own money, and gym membership alone is basically bankrupting me. I have a job where I work a nine hour shift on Sunday and get paid $8.50/hr, which translates to $65.00 every Wednesday that I work, depending on whether or not I felt like working that week or not.

The main reason why I dont want to order anything from online is that the shipping will cost too much, when I could just substitute is with something else that I could pick up from GNC or The Vitamin Shoppe, and the fact that I think it would be too risky to order it without my parents knowing. I just feel that it is easier to go out “for a ride” and pick up some shit and hide it in my room.

If there is an alternative that could be found at GNC or The Vitamin Shoppe that could be used as a PWO drink similar in effect to Surge, please enlighten me.

The closest thing GNC has to Surge would be Endurox. The Mega MRP is not even close.

Endurox is a good supp. I’ll rotate it with Surge every so often just for a different flavor.

Some alternatives

Chocolate milk
Whey and dextrose
Whey and gatorade
Whey,dextrose and maltodextrin
Endurox

FOr taste Surge is the best followed by endurox. You may also get bloated with endurox becuase of the whey concentrate.

If you make your own or get some from a dit yourself type company, make sure you have lots of splenda and crystal light or it will taste like shit.

Surge is at the top of the list for quality and taste.

ok so Endurox I think is going to work…

thanks for letting me know

[quote]Tech9 wrote:
Endurox is a good supp. I’ll rotate it with Surge every so often just for a different flavor.[/quote]

The trouble with Endurox is that it is low in protein, compared to Surge. I think it has 40 grams of carbs (sugar) and 14 grams of protein. You’d need to toss in some whey to increase the protein total…

At least it’s better than Gatorade + Whey. Still not Surge, though.

[quote]Tech9 wrote:
Endurox is a good supp. I’ll rotate it with Surge every so often just for a different flavor.[/quote]

Endurox probably works okay for runners and the like, for which it was developed, but it’s not really that close to Surge Recovery. The main differences are that Surge has twice the protein – expensive whey-protein hydrolysate while Endurox contains whey-protein concentrate. There’s a big difference between these. I believe Surge also has over twice the added BCAAs as well.

Those who’ve been around the site for a while remember when Surge used to be sold in stores for over $50 for 10 servings. Since then we’ve cut out the middleman and sell 16 servings for about half the cost.

I use Surge after I lift. I use Endurox after cardio.

I went to GNC the other day to compare prices for some stuff (and pick up some SPIKE on sale w/ my gold card)…GNC charged so much for Creatine and Glutamine that I can get them both cheaper (including shipping) online.

$60 FOR 1000g of creatine. $70 for 900g of glutamine. here at T-Nation 1000g of creatine would only cost $25, (not sure of the shipping i always order $150 worth of supps).

I still think it’s cheaper to buy online and pay shipping than GNC.