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Sunspots Are Missing


#1

Our sun is behaving in what some scientists think is a peculiar manner. Will the global-warming myth be exploded?

"The disappearance of sunspots happens every few years, but this time it?s gone on far longer than anyone expected ? and there is no sign of the Sun waking up. ?This is the lowest we?ve ever seen. We thought we?d be out of it by now, but we?re not,? says Marc Hairston of the University of Texas. And it?s not just the sunspots that are causing concern. There is also the so-called solar wind ? streams of particles the Sun pours out ? that is at its weakest since records began. In addition, the Sun?s magnetic axis is tilted to an unusual degree. ?This is the quietest Sun we?ve seen in almost a century,? says NASA solar scientist David Hathaway. But this is not just a scientific curiosity. It could affect everyone on Earth and force what for many is the unthinkable: a reappraisal of the science behind recent global warming.

Our Sun is the primary force of the Earth?s climate system, driving atmospheric and oceanic circulation patterns. It lies behind every aspect of the Earth?s climate and is, of course, a key component of the greenhouse effect. But there is another factor to be considered. When the Sun has gone quiet like this before, it coincided with the earth cooling slightly and there is speculation that a similar thing could happen now. If so, it could alter all our predictions of climate change, and show that our understanding of climate change might not be anywhere near as good as we thought."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-missing-sunspots-is-this-the-big-chill-1674630.html


#2

Very interesting - thanks for posting.


#3

That is interesting.

It won’t expose global warming as a “myth”. Depending on change in temperature throughout the cooling cycle, you could come up with several hypotheses both supporting and denying a greenhouse effect. Unfortunately, I doubt we have enough solar data from the “Little Ice Age” to construct a reasonable baseline.

Still, we should be able to improve our climate model, at least.


#4

[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Very interesting - thanks for posting.[/quote]

You’re welcome. And all this leads to a question: If global warming indeed COULD be shown to be a myth, how many of the rules, regulations, taxes, Cap-In-Trade nonsense, would our rulers be willing to give up?

"I have just returned from one of the most important Climate Change conferences ever held. Sponsored by the Heartland Institute, more than 700 scientists from all over the world came together to testify that man-made Global Warming does not exist.

Harvard scholar and climate scientist Willie Soon said it best in a recent article he titled, ?It?s the Sun, stupid.?

Dr. Mark Campbell, professor of chemistry at the U.S. Navel Academy in Annapolis recently wrote, ?The sky is not burning, and to claim that it is amounts to journalistic malpractice.?

Said U.S. Government atmospheric scientist Stanley B, Goldenberg, ?It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don?t buy into anthropogenic global warming.?

In the past year, more than 650 scientists from around the world have expressed their doubts. That?s 12 times the number of UN IPCC global warming alarmists.

Top that with the fact that more than 31,000 American scientists have signed a petition saying there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing disruption of the Earth?s climate."


#5

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Our sun is behaving in what some scientists think is a peculiar manner. Will the global-warming myth be exploded?[/quote]

No.

A decrease in sun activity leading to a decrease in the Earth’s temperature fits perfectly with the greenhouse gas phenomenon.

As CO2 concentrations increase, the Earth will increasingly retain more infrared rays and reflect less.

Given a CONSTANT energy output from the sun, this process leads to global warming.

Given a DECREASING energy output from the sun, this could lead to a decrease in the Earth’s temperature in spite of the greenhouse gas effect.

It would in no way whatsoever “disprove” the greenhouse gas phenomenon as a “myth”.

It’s like having an argument over whether a covered or uncovered pot of water will boil faster. Then, the power goes out, the range is no longer heating the water, and the anti-covered-pot-theory jackass uses this as “evidence” that covering water does not reduce time to boil.


#6

Thank you ElbowStrike. That was exactly what I was thinking while reading the first post.


#7

The greenhouse effect occurs for all planetary atmospheres containing greenhouse gases… not just earth


#8

[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
Thank you ElbowStrike. That was exactly what I was thinking while reading the first post.[/quote]

For sure.

A backyard greenhouse keeps the temperature higher inside than out, but that doesn’t mean it won’t get cooler when the sun goes down.

I love how there’s been scientific consensus since the 1970s that greenhouse gases will pose a global-warming / “climate change” problem, but big business interests keep funding think-tanks and various other NGO’s for the sole purpose of protecting their industry with propaganda and lies.


It’s a perfect example of Stephen Covey’s “7 Habits” concept of the difference between leadership and management.

A group of people are hacking their way through a dense jungle.

The leader climbs a tree and calls down, “Wrong jungle!”
The manager yells back, “Shut up! We’re making progress!”

The scientific community observes the evidence and concludes, “We as a species need to wean ourselves off of our dependence on fossil fuels.”

The energy industry yells back, “Shut up! We’re turning a profit!”

The Human Drama continues…


#9

The greenhouse effect is also the required natural occurrence in order to sustain living and breathing life.

With the loss of ice cover (which has just been at its peak in recent history), the absorption of sunlight on earth increases. Glacial ice covered in snow has an extremely high albedo - some of the highest on earth (or any planet for that matter). With less land high in albedo, the earth will continue to absorb more, heating surface waters greatly, as well as deep water – which contributes to more evaporation --> more humidity in the air as well as higher temperatures. It is a difficult cycle to prevent.

The lack of sunspots has nothing to do with light reflection…


#10

[quote]spyoptic wrote:

The greenhouse effect occurs for all planetary atmospheres containing greenhouse gases… not just earth
[/quote]

I would hope that greenhouse gases cause the greenhouse effect.


#11

[quote]ucallthatbass wrote:
spyoptic wrote:

The greenhouse effect occurs for all planetary atmospheres containing greenhouse gases… not just earth

I would hope that greenhouse gases cause the greenhouse effect.[/quote]

yes, I have a keen sense of the obvious…


#12

[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
The greenhouse effect is also the required natural occurrence in order to sustain living and breathing life.

With the loss of ice cover (which has just been at its peak in recent history), the absorption of sunlight on earth increases. Glacial ice covered in snow has an extremely high albedo - some of the highest on earth (or any planet for that matter). With less land high in albedo, the earth will continue to absorb more, heating surface waters greatly, as well as deep water – which contributes to more evaporation --> more humidity in the air as well as higher temperatures. It is a difficult cycle to prevent.

The lack of sunspots has nothing to do with light reflection… [/quote]

If the lack of sunspots is affecting the amount of sun reaching us, it actually will decrease the W/m^2 hitting that ice. Therefore causing less melt, however I do agree with the rest of your post. Then there are the other challenges such as permafrost releasing trapped carbon, more energetic oceans stirring up the carbon from the depths decreasing it’s effectiveness as a carbon sink, and more water vapor in the air…


#13

[quote]DaveyD wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
The greenhouse effect is also the required natural occurrence in order to sustain living and breathing life.

With the loss of ice cover (which has just been at its peak in recent history), the absorption of sunlight on earth increases. Glacial ice covered in snow has an extremely high albedo - some of the highest on earth (or any planet for that matter). With less land high in albedo, the earth will continue to absorb more, heating surface waters greatly, as well as deep water – which contributes to more evaporation --> more humidity in the air as well as higher temperatures. It is a difficult cycle to prevent.

The lack of sunspots has nothing to do with light reflection…

If the lack of sunspots is affecting the amount of sun reaching us, it actually will decrease the W/m^2 hitting that ice. Therefore causing less melt, however I do agree with the rest of your post. Then there are the other challenges such as permafrost releasing trapped carbon, more energetic oceans stirring up the carbon from the depths decreasing it’s effectiveness as a carbon sink, and more water vapor in the air…

[/quote]
That makes sense, I meant mostly in the sense that the earth reflecting less light won’t ‘cause’ less sunspots


#14

well, sounds like were all fuked.

that is interesting shit though…what does all this mean if things continue as they are?


#15

[quote]gdaddypurp wrote:
well, sounds like were all fuked.

that is interesting shit though…what does all this mean if things continue as they are?[/quote]

Your guess is as good as anybody elses…Ice age?


#16

[quote]DaveyD wrote:
Your guess is as good as anybody elses…Ice age?
[/quote]

If that were the case then, ironically, man-made greenhouse gases would be the savior of us all.


#17

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
DaveyD wrote:
Your guess is as good as anybody elses…Ice age?

If that were the case then, ironically, man-made greenhouse gases would be the savior of us all.[/quote]

Or some unseen mechanism could trigger an ice age on some part of the planet(with snow bunnies) while causing the other to become a tropical paradise…with naked chicks!

That would be my hope


#18

[quote]DaveyD wrote:
Or some unseen mechanism could trigger an ice age on some part of the planet(with snow bunnies) while causing the other to become a tropical paradise…with naked chicks!

That would be my hope[/quote]

Oh that already happens. It’s called Spring Break.

The Canadians go skiing in the mountains and the Yanks go beaching Mexico.


#19

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
DaveyD wrote:
Your guess is as good as anybody elses…Ice age?

If that were the case then, ironically, man-made greenhouse gases would be the savior of us all.[/quote]

So now you’re in favour of greenhouse gases, whether of human origin or not?


#20

Shit’s happening on this planet that we can control. To deny this is just plain stupid. Go research the great Dust Bowl and then tell me it was “natural causes”. Man had his hands all over that one. Major FAIL.

We need to embrace the new challenges we face. The green movement is fertile with new technologies with an incredible potential for millions of new jobs. But the right-wing thinking is so antiquated, they’d rather cut off their nose to snub their face. If we followed their thinking, we’d still be working with manual typewriters.

lol