Stupid or Genius Exercise?

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[quote]wukey wrote:
dez6485 wrote:
personally, i think if you have it in you to do this BS exercise you thought up, you probably have the energy to do some squats or deadlifts, and actually get something done.

theres no point in trying to re-invent the wheel. the wheel works, and its efficient, leave it alone.

people are getting big and strong all over the world with the basic movements that have been popular weight lifting movements for quite some time now.

id file this just slightly more beneficial that kickbacks on a bosu ball.

fair enough, but can i just say that i do do squats and deadlifts. your reply sounds like your accusing me of only doing this exercise, which i admit would be stupid. and i’m not trying to reinvent the wheel, just refine it. did you know that the original wheel was made from a single piece of trunk, but they found that it was prone to splitting so someone refined it and made it out of three planks fitted together and cut into a circle.[/quote]

sorry, i should have realized by the original post that you made that you were one of “them” and left it alone. my mistake. proceed with your biceps/abs blaster and youre sure to keep that six pack and you might just break the 13" mark on those biceps sometime in the near future! on the other hand, if you stuck to the basics and quit trying to re-invent shit, you might someday have more than a skeleton to hang your clothes on.

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[quote]HotCarl28 wrote:
have u tried the exercise… does it seem to work well… feasibility wise with most of the strain being put on the muscles u wish to target?[/quote]

Well thats just the thing, yes i’ve tried it a couple of times and yes it did seem to work. but i’m no verteran, i wasn’t sure if by doing it i was putting undue stress on any joint or going into a vunerable position or some other foolish thing.

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[quote]dez6485 wrote:
wukey wrote:
dez6485 wrote:
personally, i think if you have it in you to do this BS exercise you thought up, you probably have the energy to do some squats or deadlifts, and actually get something done.

theres no point in trying to re-invent the wheel. the wheel works, and its efficient, leave it alone.

people are getting big and strong all over the world with the basic movements that have been popular weight lifting movements for quite some time now.

id file this just slightly more beneficial that kickbacks on a bosu ball.

fair enough, but can i just say that i do do squats and deadlifts. your reply sounds like your accusing me of only doing this exercise, which i admit would be stupid. and i’m not trying to reinvent the wheel, just refine it. did you know that the original wheel was made from a single piece of trunk, but they found that it was prone to splitting so someone refined it and made it out of three planks fitted together and cut into a circle.

sorry, i should have realized by the original post that you made that you were one of “them” and left it alone. my mistake. proceed with your biceps/abs blaster and youre sure to keep that six pack and you might just break the 13" mark on those biceps sometime in the near future! on the other hand, if you stuck to the basics and quit trying to re-invent shit, you might someday have more than a skeleton to hang your clothes on.
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OK. lets leave it at that.

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I really fucking hate the whole dont re-invent the wheel quote

fair enough, but can i just say that i do do squats and deadlifts. your reply sounds like your accusing me of only doing this exercise, which i admit would be stupid. and i’m not trying to reinvent the wheel, just refine it. did you know that the original wheel was made from a single piece of trunk, but they found that it was prone to splitting so someone refined it and made it out of three planks fitted together and cut into a circle.

Dez at this point u got pwned and u should have bowed out gracefully

ur next post just made u seem like a whiney little baby who was upset that someone would even suggest something creative

i sense that the extent of ur intellectual capacity is something like this…

“Squats Milk Good”

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“Dez do big deadlift”

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this site is becoming full of idiots that have registered recently. thats why long-time, knowledgeable posters of this site have recently left.

all of you fucktards that come in saying oh yea, “i just happened to be on my decline bench, doing ab work, and i realized i might as well grab some 10lb bells and blast my biceps…and this is what i came up with!”…

looking at the pics in your profile, what are you? 135lbs? wow, i couldnt have guessed that by listening to your stupid ass exercise revolution.

wow, i use a simple “dont re-invent the wheel” figure of speach and you come back about how the wheel has actually already been re-invented…no fucking shit dipshit! youve got to be kidding me, all this time i thought that my is300 fishtailed in the rain because of the solid wood discs that it had for wheels. who would have fucking thought that the wheel had been re-invented since then, and the reason it actually fishtails is because of the power/weight ratio and the fact that its RWD?!

like someone else pointed out to you, but you were obviously basking in your perceived glory- were on to rubber now, so no fucking shit the wheel has been re-invented!

what you should do is stop spending so much time trying to be witty, and eat a fucking cheeseburger. id like to ask, since you already do deads and squats, along with your extensive ab/bicep blasters, what are your numbers like in the two afformentioned lifts?

personally, when i found this site i was 150lbs, worked my way up to 200lbs, then to 220lbs. while i had gained some fat (of course) i was not a fatass. i then went down to 200lbs to get my blood pressure in check. after a recent motorcycle accident, im at 190lbs. but- i promise you, that i will be back to 210-215lbs- and strong, before you.

why? because this world of lifting weights and eating and blah blah blah is complicated enough. countless people have gotten big before me, and they have not kept secret the tools that they have used. why the fuck, as my relative level of inexperience, would i decide that i know better than they, and try and invent my own exercises? maybe when i am 230lbs, 6% bf, standing at 5’9", maybe then ill decided that im big enough and i should try and make some exercises more efficient. until then, ill keep doing what has worked for so many other before me, and what continues to work for some many others currently, as opposed to assuming that im somehow so much different from everyone else, that the exercises they do wont work for me.

do the rest of us that have been here a while–reading, lurking, whatever, a favor and go back to bodybuilding.com. take your fucking “scared to lose my six pack” ass over there, maybe you can find someone in your area and meet up with them in an airport bathroom.

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dez,
i’m not going to argue with you. it will only wind us both up. and desides there is no argument here. all i could probably do is agree with you. yes, by the looks of thing you know much more than me in regards BB, and yes your bigger than me. I’d prefer to wait till by lifts are something to write home about before i post them.

I’m sorry my pressence here has offended you, i’m only here for the education. I hope that when we next meet on this forum we can be more civil, because i’ll probably be asking someone like you for advice.
(please read that as sencerly as i wrote it)

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Good work Dez, you’ve made yourself sound like an absolute Grade-A tool.

Wukey came on here and said ‘I’ve had an idea for a variation on an exercise, here’s why I think it might be valid, what do you guys think?’ Everyone else in the thread manages to take his statement for what it is, but you have to come in here beating your chest like some backwater hick instead.

It’s not like he went “Hey guyz, check out my rad new move it’s gonna change your life!!11”, but this is the box you’ve tried to pigeonhole him into anyway just so that you can wheel out the same tired old putdowns that are the blight of otherwise informative forums like this one.

Wukey at this point could have spat back at you but no, he plays it like a man and lets you know that yes, he does actually squat and pull, and that no, he doesn’t think that his idea is the be-all and end-all that you’ve tried to imply. At this point you could have been equally mature and conceded the point, but instead you start prattling on about ‘his type’ and ‘bodyblasters’, again desperate to find an angle from which you can lay the smackdown.

Again, Wukey lets it slide, but when a couple of other people call you out for the simpleton you are you launch into another spectacularly irrelevant tirade, aimed at the wrong damn person, where you somehow battle and defeat yourself in an argument about why your bike fishtails in the rain. Full marks for one of the most spectacularly irrelevant tangents I’ve seen in a long time.

Not content to cut your losses at this stage, you then proceed to dazzle us with the legend of your eating so many ‘fucking cheeseburgers’ that you gave yourself blood pressure concerns by the age of 22. BIG WHOOP. No-one over the age of 12 is going to be impressed by your weight-gain odyssey, and once again this has nothing whatsoever do with the subject of the thread (although while we’re so far off course I may as well point out that Wukey looks in much better shape than you, tubby).

It’s exactly this sort of diatribe-spouting by braying idiots like yourself that stifles any sort of free communcation of ideas. If you think a thread is a waste of time then roll your eyes and move on to the next one; no-one benefits when you wade in like a schoolyard bully and start throwing your prejudices about.

Still, at least you can chalk all these holes you keep digging for yourself up as ‘heavy compounds’, eh?

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This thread is now dead, the exercise was discredited by Old Dax and i acknowleged that. Everything else is just off topic and is winding people up.

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ill just address a few things…

i used a simple, every day saying of “dont re-invent the wheel”…one of wukey’s main things he says back to me was that the wheel had already been re-invented into three planks tied together blah blah. my response was no shit, were all driving on rubber, obviously we know its been re-invented. (side note- an is300 is a car you jackass.)

somehow hes about 135lbs, im 190lbs, at roughly the same height, but because he has a 6-pack hes in better shape. hmmm…brilliant

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“Cheeseburger make dez strong!!!”

“Dez blood feel funny…”

“Dez lose weight”

“Dez sad :(”

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[quote]wukey wrote:
Old Dax wrote:
I don’t want to p*ss on your chips, but wouldn’t the limiting factor be the strength of your anterior (front) deltoids? Seems there would be a lot of stress there (front delts) to get into the start position?

sorry Old Dax, i didn’t take in what you said when i made my first reply, your absolutly right and my responce made no sence at all.[/quote]

Cheers!

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[quote]dez6485 wrote:
theres no point in trying to re-invent the wheel. the wheel works, and its efficient, leave it alone.
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So we shouldn’t attempt to improve (by experiment) our training routines?
Are you still using the routine that first gave improvements?

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[quote]Old Dax wrote:
dez6485 wrote:
theres no point in trying to re-invent the wheel. the wheel works, and its efficient, leave it alone.

So we shouldn’t attempt to improve (by experiment) our training routines?
Are you still using the routine that first gave improvements?[/quote]

not my point at all. a new trainer should not jump right into the game trying to make up exercises, etc. there are so many effective programs out there- heck anything is effective as a beginner. once you get to the point where you seem to have stalled using the tried and true methods, sure go ahead and experiment. but as a beginner, at 5’8" and maybe 135lbs, this exercise is useless. well, i think this particular exercise is useless on its own, but thats another story…

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Don’t run before you can walk. This shouldn’t be a philosophical discussion about innovation in training. The OP states right off the bat that he is a beginner. If so, this isn’t the time for him to start freestyling. He’d be better served by doing tons of established lifts and learning as much as he can about what’s already out there.

OP: if you REALLY want to know whether it’s stupid or genius, incorporate this move into your training for 4-6 weeks. Then try something else for four to six weeks. Then something else. After about a year of cycling it in and out of your training, you’ll have a good idea whether it’s a stupid or genius lift for YOU to be doing, which is all that really counts.
it doesn’t help that your brainstorm was to combine curling with crunches, two moves that are less than revered on these boards.

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but like… what about the ones i thought up

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[quote]schultzie wrote:
but like… what about the ones i thought up[/quote]

im not sure if youre being serious…

but i have done the cable crossover in the way you specify, as well as the lat move. both seem like they could be beneficial in the long run, although i have never made them a solid part of a routine.

ive done things similar, if not the same, to the lateral raise you described. i dont like how it feels in my shoulder. if it works for you, it works for you. its not necessarily a bad idea.

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[quote]HotCarl28 wrote:
Dez at this point u got pwned and u should have bowed out gracefully

ur next post just made u seem like a whiney little baby who was upset that someone would even suggest something creative

i sense that the extent of ur intellectual capacity is something like this…

“Squats Milk Good”[/quote]

haha I agree totally. It’s people who act like him who make the site a pain.

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yeah all that stuff i did is just to get a bit more DOMS in a lagging part at the end of a workout