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#21

[quote]Koing wrote:
I don’t have idiots tell me what to do…people realise the first thing I do is FS :stuck_out_tongue: then I Sn heavy, CJ heavy…one set of wide grip pull ups to max then ab and back work, done, stretch down…

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Koing, I’m tempted to do what you’re doing but do you think it makes sense for a newbie like me who is still working on technique a lot?

I’m interested in how your low volume is working for you because my work life is just about to make me a lot busier and have less time for training but I’m still so new that I don’t think it hurts me to have more training sessions to keep working on getting the patterns right.

#22

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Koing wrote:
I don’t have idiots tell me what to do…people realise the first thing I do is FS :stuck_out_tongue: then I Sn heavy, CJ heavy…one set of wide grip pull ups to max then ab and back work, done, stretch down…

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Koing, I’m tempted to do what you’re doing but do you think it makes sense for a newbie like me who is still working on technique a lot?

I’m interested in how your low volume is working for you because my work life is just about to make me a lot busier and have less time for training but I’m still so new that I don’t think it hurts me to have more training sessions to keep working on getting the patterns right.

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Your FS can be always stronger, unless it’s 40kg more then what you can CJ I’d hammer it up.

I"d add a few doubles on the Sn and more singles on the CJ. Do this 3x a week and have a day or so to address weaknesses in your lifting. So rack jerks or power jerks for you or paused jerks where you dip, pause and then drive up.

Give it 6 weeks and see how it is. We aren’t pro athletes so we have to make do with what time we have and work around our actual jobs :stuck_out_tongue:

Let us know what you decide to do :slight_smile:

Koing

#23

i’m making decisions right now, too.

i have been getting in person coaching but i’ve become increasingly concerned that my coach seems to get more enjoyment from watching big guys throw around lots of weight than he does from technical proficiency.

i have been simply doing as he says for the last 6 months… and i have gotten a little stronger (though i don’t know what would have happened if i’d have kept on as i was before)… vids tell me my technique has gotten worse.

i’ve learned that i need to train by myself for the most part or i start to go crazy. i need to cut back on the amount of time i train when my coach and other lifters are around and lift more by myself… but then of course i need a program…

anyway… i know people are all about ‘get coaching in person if you can’. but then… i really think it depends on the person…

i really do think i do better with the stuff i’ve gotten off the internet. i mean… at least you guys explain why you think whatever you think. without the why i can’t really have faith in you. i mean… i shouldn’t. i mean… why would i??? training really is a very personal thing…

#24

[quote]alexus wrote:
i’m making decisions right now, too.

i have been getting in person coaching but i’ve become increasingly concerned that my coach seems to get more enjoyment from watching big guys throw around lots of weight than he does from technical proficiency.

i have been simply doing as he says for the last 6 months… and i have gotten a little stronger (though i don’t know what would have happened if i’d have kept on as i was before)… vids tell me my technique has gotten worse.

i’ve learned that i need to train by myself for the most part or i start to go crazy. i need to cut back on the amount of time i train when my coach and other lifters are around and lift more by myself… but then of course i need a program…

anyway… i know people are all about ‘get coaching in person if you can’. but then… i really think it depends on the person…

i really do think i do better with the stuff i’ve gotten off the internet. i mean… at least you guys explain why you think whatever you think. without the why i can’t really have faith in you. i mean… i shouldn’t. i mean… why would i??? training really is a very personal thing…[/quote]

Coaching is almost always beneficial in this sport, but you have to have faith in your coach in order to really derive said benefit.

Have you noticed any particular changes in your technique?

#25

[quote]Koing wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Koing wrote:
I don’t have idiots tell me what to do…people realise the first thing I do is FS :stuck_out_tongue: then I Sn heavy, CJ heavy…one set of wide grip pull ups to max then ab and back work, done, stretch down…

[/quote]

Koing, I’m tempted to do what you’re doing but do you think it makes sense for a newbie like me who is still working on technique a lot?

I’m interested in how your low volume is working for you because my work life is just about to make me a lot busier and have less time for training but I’m still so new that I don’t think it hurts me to have more training sessions to keep working on getting the patterns right.

[/quote]

Your FS can be always stronger, unless it’s 40kg more then what you can CJ I’d hammer it up.

I"d add a few doubles on the Sn and more singles on the CJ. Do this 3x a week and have a day or so to address weaknesses in your lifting. So rack jerks or power jerks for you or paused jerks where you dip, pause and then drive up.

Give it 6 weeks and see how it is. We aren’t pro athletes so we have to make do with what time we have and work around our actual jobs :stuck_out_tongue:

Let us know what you decide to do :slight_smile:

Koing[/quote]

Right now I’m lifting SN, C&J 5-6 times a week in the evening and back squatting 3 times a week in the morning trying to get my squat strength back. ( just over a month ago I couldn’t get out of the hole with 170lbs but monday morning I did 205x4 so I think I’ve got it back and now I need to get my lifts to show it :slight_smile:

I’m going to finish my squat plan and then I’m going to give your program a try.

#26

[quote]bcingu wrote:
Coaching is almost always beneficial in this sport, but you have to have faith in your coach in order to really derive said benefit.[/quote]

Yeah I agree.

I get to train with a couple different coaches on occasion and I will do whatever they tell me to :smiley:

But I have 100% respect and confidence and faith in what they tell me and I always feel like I’m getting advice from the best, even if I don’t understand exact reasoning.

They don’t do any of my programming, I do that on my own.

#27

[quote]alexus wrote:
i’m making decisions right now, too.

i have been getting in person coaching but i’ve become increasingly concerned that my coach seems to get more enjoyment from watching big guys throw around lots of weight than he does from technical proficiency.

i have been simply doing as he says for the last 6 months… and i have gotten a little stronger (though i don’t know what would have happened if i’d have kept on as i was before)… vids tell me my technique has gotten worse.

i’ve learned that i need to train by myself for the most part or i start to go crazy. i need to cut back on the amount of time i train when my coach and other lifters are around and lift more by myself… but then of course i need a program…

anyway… i know people are all about ‘get coaching in person if you can’. but then… i really think it depends on the person…

i really do think i do better with the stuff i’ve gotten off the internet. i mean… at least you guys explain why you think whatever you think. without the why i can’t really have faith in you. i mean… i shouldn’t. i mean… why would i??? training really is a very personal thing…[/quote]

I mean absolutely no offence but maybe your being a bit stubborn. Everyone needs help, they’ll be things only a coach will notice that you will never. On the internet people can go only go by what you post.

You could also have a bad coach. But you say you got stronger. So whats the problem?