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Strong Teens? What's the Standard?

Strong for “normal” people is legitimately squatting 400, benching 300, deadlifting 500. Well, in my mind anyway!
You won’t be elite, or even that impressive to specialists, but your everyday person is going to think you’re strong, including teens.

[quote]Hanley wrote:
Of course your numbers also imply that strong teen = heavy teen right?[/quote]

when someone gives a blanket statement of whats strong for a teen, I give them a blanket statement a as well.

If someone could get those numbers at 220, it would still be strong, if they could get those numbers at 400lbs, it would still be strong. But of course the lighter guy, all things created equal, would be more impressive. I could have gone on to say (if your 150lbs you dont have to lift this much to be strong etc).

Being strong for your body weight doesn’t necessarily make you strong in my opinion. To me, if the numbers them selves aren’t impressive in some way, then the person is not strong.

For instance, a 100lb guy benching 200lbs is strong for his size. But he isnt strong in my opinion.

I guess in my mind, if your a light weight guy, you still have to hit respectable numbers (without taking your body weight into account) to be considered strong in my opinion. I draw a line between strong for your weight, and strong in general.

Here are some numbers in my opinion, where it doesnt matter what you weigh, if you cant lift this, your not strong (in my opinion) -You may be strong for your weight, for your age, for your sex, for your training experience. But you just aren’t strong over all.

bench 350+
squat 500+
Deadlift 600+

Im not really the person to talk to as far as whats strong or not. I have never been happy with my strength. Probably never will be. I look at my current self as weak, because I know that I can always be better. When you have a 600lb deadlift in the cross hairs, its hard to be happy with a 500 deadlift. Or respect the 500lb weight at all really. If I deadlifted 600lbs (no offence anyone) I would probably give up training. So its hard for me to give others credit when its due to them when they, for instance, hit 4 or 5 plates on the deadlift.

If I benched 500lbs tomorrow, the next day it wouldnt be enough. And once I got 550, I would feel like 500 was bitch weight and there for I wouldnt be inclined to tell people that their 300lb bench was strong.

Its a vicious circle with me… Im better off to not even comment in threads like this.

Sitting here contemplating what I just wrote, I think I have a problem. Seriously.

I think when it comes down to teens, its about BW and how big your lifts are in comparason to that. or just the fact that you lift… seeing as most kids dont.

Dave Tate pulling 529 and benching 408 at 14!!

Some of Dan John’s standards for his high school athletes are
10th grade: Snatch-115, C& J.-175
12th grade: Snatch 155, C& J.-225
And he classifies you as a rank beginner until you bench 200

[quote]Mega Newb wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Of course your numbers also imply that strong teen = heavy teen right?

when someone gives a blanket statement of whats strong for a teen, I give them a blanket statement a as well.

If someone could get those numbers at 220, it would still be strong, if they could get those numbers at 400lbs, it would still be strong. But of course the lighter guy, all things created equal, would be more impressive. I could have gone on to say (if your 150lbs you dont have to lift this much to be strong etc).

Being strong for your body weight doesn’t necessarily make you strong in my opinion. To me, if the numbers them selves aren’t impressive in some way, then the person is not strong.

For instance, a 100lb guy benching 200lbs is strong for his size. But he isnt strong in my opinion.

I guess in my mind, if your a light weight guy, you still have to hit respectable numbers (without taking your body weight into account) to be considered strong in my opinion. I draw a line between strong for your weight, and strong in general.

Here are some numbers in my opinion, where it doesnt matter what you weigh, if you cant lift this, your not strong (in my opinion) -You may be strong for your weight, for your age, for your sex, for your training experience. But you just aren’t strong over all.

bench 350+
squat 500+
Deadlift 600+

Im not really the person to talk to as far as whats strong or not. I have never been happy with my strength. Probably never will be. I look at my current self as weak, because I know that I can always be better. When you have a 600lb deadlift in the cross hairs, its hard to be happy with a 500 deadlift. Or respect the 500lb weight at all really. If I deadlifted 600lbs (no offence anyone) I would probably give up training. So its hard for me to give others credit when its due to them when they, for instance, hit 4 or 5 plates on the deadlift.

If I benched 500lbs tomorrow, the next day it wouldnt be enough. And once I got 550, I would feel like 500 was bitch weight and there for I wouldnt be inclined to tell people that their 300lb bench was strong.

Its a vicious circle with me… Im better off to not even comment in threads like this.

Sitting here contemplating what I just wrote, I think I have a problem. Seriously.

[/quote]

an attitude like that is exactly what makes you progress day in and day out

[quote]Cprimero wrote:
Dave Tate pulling 529 and benching 408 at 14!!

Some of Dan John’s standards for his high school athletes are
10th grade: Snatch-115, C& J.-175
12th grade: Snatch 155, C& J.-225
And he classifies you as a rank beginner until you bench 200[/quote]

Holy shit. No shirt either.

315,405,495 would be strong for a teen as well as anybody.

Internet Strong:
Bench 300
Dead 450
Squat 500

All done by age 15.

Real world strong for a teen
Bench 200
Dead 250
Squat 300

I think the real problem here, is what is a “teen” … people develop at different speeds. I remember when I was 13, some of the girls looked like 10 year olds and some looked like fully grown women (hey it was the country). There were guys at 13 who were 6’2 and some who were 4’ (and ended up over 6’)

1,000 years ago most at age 15 were probably very much very mature.

These days there seem to be a lot of people who at 20 are still like 14 year olds.

Are humans living longer and taking longer to mature? Well, yes, but not everyone.

So it is a bit unfair to compare “teens” based on their age. On the other hand, this thread has shown that even the very young can post impressive world class numbers.

I suspect the original poster (and a lot of teens) were hoping more for “oh well if you can bench 100lbs and squat 200lbs you are strong for a teen!” or something like that.

[quote]crod266 wrote:

an attitude like that is exactly what makes you progress day in and day out[/quote]

thats probably true.

but to be honest, Im jelous of people who are contempt with their strength… And with them selves for that matter. I never looked at lifting as a means to a end, more like a journey.

[quote]Mega Newb wrote:
crod266 wrote:

an attitude like that is exactly what makes you progress day in and day out

thats probably true.

but to be honest, Im jelous of people who are contempt with their strength… And with them selves for that matter. I never looked at lifting as a means to a end, more like a journey.[/quote]

your def right, i mean this doesnt go for everyone but most people who are content with their look and strengh most of the time end up not working hard after that or slacking so guess its a good thing also.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Internet Strong:
Bench 300
Dead 450
Squat 500

All done by age 15.

Real world strong for a teen
Bench 200
Dead 250
Squat 300[/quote]

You are underestimating the kids, if you think 250 lbs deadlift is strong for teenager.

Of course, it’s tricky to set standards, because boys and girls mature differently, but I think these numbers must be increased.

My (totally random, BW dependent) estimates:
BP - 100-140 kg
SQ - 140-180 kg
DL - 160-220 kg

I’d say that if you’re at or over the upper limit, then you’re definitely strong, if you’re in the middle, it depends on your bodyweight, and if you’re under the lower limit, you need some more work.

What is strong for a teen? Really depends on your point of view. You could look to some strength charts. And find the minimum weights for lifts to be in the top category at one source are:
(no BW listed)
Squat 400
Leg Press 470
Bench Press 300
Incline Press 250
Shoulder Press 200
Lat Pull 285
www.strengthcats.com/strengthevalyoungathletes.PDF

Or @ BW 165
Bench Press 255
Squat 343
Vertical Leap 28.2?
40yd dash 4.62 secs
www.strengthcats.com/HSstrengthpowerspeedxls.PDF

Or for a rating of ?High School Star? @ BW 165 (not power lifting sport)
Bench Press 200
Squat 360
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/strength.htm

Or you could get some real ?max-ish? numbers by taking a look at the results from a state high school power lifting meet:
Div 1 winner @ BW 165
Squat 540
Bench 350
Deadlift 505

Div 3 10th place @ BW 165
Squat 475
Bench 235
Deadlift 480
http://www.thspa.org/state_meet/2008/Div_I_Final_Results(1).htm

[quote]Cprimero wrote:
Dave Tate pulling 529 and benching 408 at 14!!

Some of Dan John’s standards for his high school athletes are
10th grade: Snatch-115, C& J.-175
12th grade: Snatch 155, C& J.-225
And he classifies you as a rank beginner until you bench 200[/quote]

That’s odd. I remember him talking about his first powerlifting meet and he mentioned doing a 350, 375 and 400 squat and wondering why no one else was lifting, and then when he was done they moved the weight up to 550 for everyone else.

I think he said that he did 405/405/400

Ed Coan did I think 400/350/400 in his first meet at a weight of 155.

In highschool there is strong, real strong (one animal in 3-5 years) and very rare strength.

The “strong” guys bench 300-330, and are in the 400-475 range in squat and dead (without equipment). That would be 3-4 kids in a class of 400.

Real strong is one rare guy. Usually good athletes have long arms, but definitely this is a guy who is squatting and deadlifting in the 550 range. Bench might still be 330-350. I have known 1 guy in the last 12 years of teaching who was in the 350/550+ legit bench squat range in highschool.

There is a guy who squatted in the 600s, the brother of that guy. He destroyed equipment like crazy. One guy benched 315 12 times.

I’m 18 and have done 308b/471s/530d @ 181 in the IPF(competing in 2 weeks, so my numbers are a bit higher now)

For my age class, I’m strong-ish at a national level, but not so strong on a world scale (would have placed about 4th if I went, but the winner did like 100kg more than anybody else).

There’s not that many 18 year olds doing numbers like CYC, just a handful. Ed Coan’s number were ridiculous when he was 18, and skinny as hell!

Dave Tate bench pressed 408 at 14 yers old raw?!

[quote]rasturai wrote:
Dave Tate bench pressed 408 at 14 yers old raw?![/quote]

apparently…

its weird because you would think he would have gone further in the sport than he did…

A 14 year old benching 410 raw and deadlifting 525 while still being lean is potentionally a 600-700 bencher raw, and 900lb deadlifter.

Unless of course Dave Tate got on steroids at a young age because they were still legal back then.

Dave had a lot of injuries that set him back. Also peaking at an early age means you may not progress later on as fast as you once did…

Personally i think you have to divide this into 3 categories:

Teen that trains powerlifting:
350+ Bench
500+ Squat
600+ Deadlift

Typical Teen Working Out BB Style:
300+ Bench
400+ Squat
500+ Deadlift

Your Average Teen:
185+ Bench
275+ Squat
315+ Deadlift

i think a 3/4/5 is good for anyone.

however, if youre competing in powerlifting professionally are those good lifts? no because the standard of competition is much improved.

its like saying 140 miles an hour is slow because a plane can go 900 miles an hour.

everything has to be done with perspective and relation.

in relation a 5’6 100 pound person deadlifting 500 pounds is very very strong.

a 9 foot tall 400 pound person deadlifting 500 is not as impressive. is the weight the same? yes, but the difference is the strength ratio.

picture it like this, if an average height person lived in a world of only short people the standard for strength would be much lower and all the short little people would be impressed but it isnt a big deal to the taller person because the weight in proportion to him, and in proportion to the standard is very insignificant.

[quote]elano wrote:
315,405,495 would be strong for a teen as well as anybody.[/quote]

three hundred fifteen million is a pretty impressive number.