Strong Men More Likely to Vote Conservative

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]njrusmc wrote:
I’ve always believed that libertarianism was the answer. Someone made a comment about the female “take care of me” attitude which is frighteningly accurate. I don’t know many female libertarians but 90% of the men I know feel this way, especially my co-workers.

I believe my taxes should pay for:

  1. Government employee salaries and their benefits (to include military)
  2. Federal roads and buildings, things that everyone uses
  3. Technological R&D, like awarding contracts for manufacturers to develop new shit
  4. Wars, when necessary
  5. Grants for education on a merit basis only

AND NOTHING ELSE. OK, maybe I left out a few small categories, but you see my point. None of this health care, medicare, medicaid, social security, etc. All of it is nonsense. A social safety net only discourages greatness.
/rant[/quote]

Ok, so all you have proved is you have your own special interests. How are you any different from the current lot of looters?[/quote]

Most of those things are in the interest of the nation. [/quote]

Most of those things are in the interest of the people who benefit from government.

What benefits individuals is not what benefits “the nation”.

Besides, the market provides all that is necessary.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]njrusmc wrote:
I’ve always believed that libertarianism was the answer. Someone made a comment about the female “take care of me” attitude which is frighteningly accurate. I don’t know many female libertarians but 90% of the men I know feel this way, especially my co-workers.

I believe my taxes should pay for:

  1. Government employee salaries and their benefits (to include military)
  2. Federal roads and buildings, things that everyone uses
  3. Technological R&D, like awarding contracts for manufacturers to develop new shit
  4. Wars, when necessary
  5. Grants for education on a merit basis only

AND NOTHING ELSE. OK, maybe I left out a few small categories, but you see my point. None of this health care, medicare, medicaid, social security, etc. All of it is nonsense. A social safety net only discourages greatness.
/rant[/quote]

Ok, so all you have proved is you have your own special interests. How are you any different from the current lot of looters?[/quote]

Most of those things are in the interest of the nation. [/quote]

Most of those things are in the interest of the people who benefit from government.

What benefits individuals is not what benefits “the nation”.

Besides, the market provides all that is necessary.[/quote]

I assume that the premise that is not being spoken of here is that man is perfectible?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]njrusmc wrote:
I’ve always believed that libertarianism was the answer. Someone made a comment about the female “take care of me” attitude which is frighteningly accurate. I don’t know many female libertarians but 90% of the men I know feel this way, especially my co-workers.

I believe my taxes should pay for:

  1. Government employee salaries and their benefits (to include military)
  2. Federal roads and buildings, things that everyone uses
  3. Technological R&D, like awarding contracts for manufacturers to develop new shit
  4. Wars, when necessary
  5. Grants for education on a merit basis only

AND NOTHING ELSE. OK, maybe I left out a few small categories, but you see my point. None of this health care, medicare, medicaid, social security, etc. All of it is nonsense. A social safety net only discourages greatness.
/rant[/quote]

Ok, so all you have proved is you have your own special interests. How are you any different from the current lot of looters?[/quote]

Most of those things are in the interest of the nation. [/quote]

Then the nation should grow up and get a fucking job.

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I’m upset to see that my post has been picked apart unnecessarily. I think you all understand my point: taxes go towards things that must exist, and only those things. I wasn’t trying to start a debate over minutia. Pay government employees, raise a military, secure national borders and waters, and maintain government infrastucture. None of these are special interests … they are the simple securities people expect a government to provide.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]njrusmc wrote:
I’ve always believed that libertarianism was the answer. Someone made a comment about the female “take care of me” attitude which is frighteningly accurate. I don’t know many female libertarians but 90% of the men I know feel this way, especially my co-workers.

I believe my taxes should pay for:

  1. Government employee salaries and their benefits (to include military)
  2. Federal roads and buildings, things that everyone uses
  3. Technological R&D, like awarding contracts for manufacturers to develop new shit
  4. Wars, when necessary
  5. Grants for education on a merit basis only

AND NOTHING ELSE. OK, maybe I left out a few small categories, but you see my point. None of this health care, medicare, medicaid, social security, etc. All of it is nonsense. A social safety net only discourages greatness.
/rant[/quote]

Ok, so all you have proved is you have your own special interests. How are you any different from the current lot of looters?[/quote]

Most of those things are in the interest of the nation. [/quote]

Then the nation should grow up and get a fucking job.[/quote]

What does having a job have to do with wars?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]njrusmc wrote:
I’ve always believed that libertarianism was the answer. Someone made a comment about the female “take care of me” attitude which is frighteningly accurate. I don’t know many female libertarians but 90% of the men I know feel this way, especially my co-workers.

I believe my taxes should pay for:

  1. Government employee salaries and their benefits (to include military)
  2. Federal roads and buildings, things that everyone uses
  3. Technological R&D, like awarding contracts for manufacturers to develop new shit
  4. Wars, when necessary
  5. Grants for education on a merit basis only

AND NOTHING ELSE. OK, maybe I left out a few small categories, but you see my point. None of this health care, medicare, medicaid, social security, etc. All of it is nonsense. A social safety net only discourages greatness.
/rant[/quote]

Ok, so all you have proved is you have your own special interests. How are you any different from the current lot of looters?[/quote]

Most of those things are in the interest of the nation. [/quote]

Then the nation should grow up and get a fucking job.[/quote]

What does having a job have to do with wars?[/quote]

Gotta pay for wars?

Gotta work for what you want?

Of course you could also put a gun to some peoples heads so that they would give you money in order to put a gun to other peoples heads, but what would that make you?

I think its better if the “nation” gets a job if it aspires to “greatness”.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Gotta pay for wars?

Gotta work for what you want?

Of course you could also put a gun to some peoples heads so that they would give you money in order to put a gun to other peoples heads, but what would that make you?

I think its better if the “nation” gets a job if it aspires to “greatness”. [/quote]

This needs explanation. Are you saying that all the unemployed, entitlement-stricken dickbags in the USA should get jobs? If so then I agree. If you are saying that the USA needs a job in the global community, it already has one: world policeman. Not to mention it’s a world leader in technological development.

Your posts have always confused me but I’d like you to expand on this one.

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[quote]njrusmc wrote:

Your posts have always confused me but I’d like you to expand on this one.[/quote]

Why, thank you Sir…

Blushes…

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[quote]njrusmc wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Gotta pay for wars?

Gotta work for what you want?

Of course you could also put a gun to some peoples heads so that they would give you money in order to put a gun to other peoples heads, but what would that make you?

I think its better if the “nation” gets a job if it aspires to “greatness”. [/quote]

This needs explanation. Are you saying that all the unemployed, entitlement-stricken dickbags in the USA should get jobs? If so then I agree. If you are saying that the USA needs a job in the global community, it already has one: world policeman. Not to mention it’s a world leader in technological development.

Your posts have always confused me but I’d like you to expand on this one.[/quote]

Alright, lets get down to the mechanics of it all.

Anyone who appeals to “society”, the “nation” or even “humanity” can blow me.

If those abstractions want anything done, they should get a job and pay for it to get done.

Unfortunately, anyone invoking those flimsy excuses for an argument usually wants other peoples money so that his will be done.

I am afraid that I cannot fall for this obvious ruse, because I happen to have the exact number of chromosomes one would expect in a homo sapiens.

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OK, I understand now. I never claimed those things were in the good of any such abstractions. By discouraging greatness, I was referring to the individual, a concrete thing. A nanny government discourages individual greatness (success, happiness, whatever word you like).

All I want is to keep my own money and pursue my own goals. Seriously. That’s it. I don’t need the government to manage my phony retirement account (social security) nor do I need it to provide me back-up healthcare when I am 90 because I was too foolish to have saved for it in my youth.

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i believe it. i am a democrat and probably always will be, but the older i get and the stronger i get, i find my self agreeing with and sympathizing with more and more conservative ideals. for example, the whole occupy wallstreet 1% shit. not that the ideas behind it were all that wrong or awful, but something about the uninformed sheep mentality pisses me off more and more as i get older. Here in tucson we got the Univeridty of Arizona and close by is 4th Avenue, a hippie-hipster meca for douschbaggery. And it seems younger kids, especially college kids, join movements for the sake of joining movements, for the sake of rebelling and believing the world is out to get them. I find the older i get, the less i care about peoples particular beliefs, and more in the strength in which the follow their beliefs. I may not always agree with conservatives, but i do admire the strength in their convictions.

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[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
i believe it. i am a democrat and probably always will be, but the older i get and the stronger i get, i find my self agreeing with and sympathizing with more and more conservative ideals. for example, the whole occupy wallstreet 1% shit. not that the ideas behind it were all that wrong or awful, but something about the uninformed sheep mentality pisses me off more and more as i get older. Here in tucson we got the Univeridty of Arizona and close by is 4th Avenue, a hippie-hipster meca for douschbaggery. And it seems younger kids, especially college kids, join movements for the sake of joining movements, for the sake of rebelling and believing the world is out to get them. I find the older i get, the less i care about peoples particular beliefs, and more in the strength in which the follow their beliefs. I may not always agree with conservatives, but i do admire the strength in their convictions. [/quote]
Hmmmmm, for me it is the opposite. In my teens & twentys I was a young Republican, & very active in the church. These days, while I may have been in better “shape” back then, I’m much stronger, yet Obama is not liberal enough for me (I wanted Hilary). I’m in my 40’s, employed, own my own home (paid off!)2 young children. . . could not imagine voting Republican.

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[quote]77 Style wrote:

Obama is not liberal enough for me (I wanted Hilary).

[/quote]

Er…Obama is considerably more “liberal” - or perhaps “radical” is a better word - than Hillary. Don’t you know that?

FTW, Obama was elected on a split ticket as a Socialist New Party candidate and a Democrat to the Illinois State Senate. The New Party was an Alinskyist front group whose aim was to infiltrate the Democratic Party and steer it to the far-left. As Aaron Klein notes, “Perhaps unsurprisingly, the law firm at which Obama served as counsel led a legal charge to overturn state bans on allowing politicians to run as members of more than one party. The New Party was a primary benefactor of that case - which the firm, Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, took to the Supreme Court. Obama was employed at Davis, Miner until 2004.”

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[quote]77 Style wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
i believe it. i am a democrat and probably always will be, but the older i get and the stronger i get, i find my self agreeing with and sympathizing with more and more conservative ideals. for example, the whole occupy wallstreet 1% shit. not that the ideas behind it were all that wrong or awful, but something about the uninformed sheep mentality pisses me off more and more as i get older. Here in tucson we got the Univeridty of Arizona and close by is 4th Avenue, a hippie-hipster meca for douschbaggery. And it seems younger kids, especially college kids, join movements for the sake of joining movements, for the sake of rebelling and believing the world is out to get them. I find the older i get, the less i care about peoples particular beliefs, and more in the strength in which the follow their beliefs. I may not always agree with conservatives, but i do admire the strength in their convictions. [/quote]
Hmmmmm, for me it is the opposite. In my teens & twentys I was a young Republican, & very active in the church. These days, while I may have been in better “shape” back then, I’m much stronger, yet Obama is not liberal enough for me (I wanted Hilary). I’m in my 40’s, employed, own my own home (paid off!)2 young children. . . could not imagine voting Republican.[/quote]

Must be skinny.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]77 Style wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
i believe it. i am a democrat and probably always will be, but the older i get and the stronger i get, i find my self agreeing with and sympathizing with more and more conservative ideals. for example, the whole occupy wallstreet 1% shit. not that the ideas behind it were all that wrong or awful, but something about the uninformed sheep mentality pisses me off more and more as i get older. Here in tucson we got the Univeridty of Arizona and close by is 4th Avenue, a hippie-hipster meca for douschbaggery. And it seems younger kids, especially college kids, join movements for the sake of joining movements, for the sake of rebelling and believing the world is out to get them. I find the older i get, the less i care about peoples particular beliefs, and more in the strength in which the follow their beliefs. I may not always agree with conservatives, but i do admire the strength in their convictions. [/quote]
Hmmmmm, for me it is the opposite. In my teens & twentys I was a young Republican, & very active in the church. These days, while I may have been in better “shape” back then, I’m much stronger, yet Obama is not liberal enough for me (I wanted Hilary). I’m in my 40’s, employed, own my own home (paid off!)2 young children. . . could not imagine voting Republican.[/quote]

Must be skinny.[/quote]
HaHaHa! No I WAS skinny, & voted Republican now I’m much heavier, stronger, liberal. . .

As to Obama being more liberal then Hilary I think they may be somewhat even in actual practice. I do think Mrs. Clinton would have ram rodded single payer Canadian/European style healthcare through congress, & I’m for that instead of the bloated mess of attempted compromise we ended up with, to be clear I’m not at all satisfied with Obamacare. Hilary knows how to play the Game.

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[quote]77 Style wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]77 Style wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
i believe it. i am a democrat and probably always will be, but the older i get and the stronger i get, i find my self agreeing with and sympathizing with more and more conservative ideals. for example, the whole occupy wallstreet 1% shit. not that the ideas behind it were all that wrong or awful, but something about the uninformed sheep mentality pisses me off more and more as i get older. Here in tucson we got the Univeridty of Arizona and close by is 4th Avenue, a hippie-hipster meca for douschbaggery. And it seems younger kids, especially college kids, join movements for the sake of joining movements, for the sake of rebelling and believing the world is out to get them. I find the older i get, the less i care about peoples particular beliefs, and more in the strength in which the follow their beliefs. I may not always agree with conservatives, but i do admire the strength in their convictions. [/quote]
Hmmmmm, for me it is the opposite. In my teens & twentys I was a young Republican, & very active in the church. These days, while I may have been in better “shape” back then, I’m much stronger, yet Obama is not liberal enough for me (I wanted Hilary). I’m in my 40’s, employed, own my own home (paid off!)2 young children. . . could not imagine voting Republican.[/quote]

Must be skinny.[/quote]
HaHaHa! No I WAS skinny, & voted Republican now I’m much heavier, stronger, liberal. . .

As to Obama being more liberal then Hilary I think they may be somewhat even in actual practice. I do think Mrs. Clinton would have ram rodded single payer Canadian/European style healthcare through congress, & I’m for that instead of the bloated mess of attempted compromise we ended up with, to be clear I’m not at all satisfied with Obamacare. Hilary knows how to play the Game. [/quote]

And what’s this grand reason for being a radical (I suppose that is what you’re referring to rather than saying you’re classical liberal, which is closer to conservatism than most Republicans).

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I would be inclined to believe that people who lift weight tend to vote more for libertarian ideals, not necessarily traditionnal right-wing.

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:
I would be inclined to believe that people who lift weight tend to vote more for libertarian ideals, not necessarily traditionnal right-wing.[/quote]

Traditional right-wing is not conservative.

Does anyone read Burke (and his successors) around here?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]77 Style wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]77 Style wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
i believe it. i am a democrat and probably always will be, but the older i get and the stronger i get, i find my self agreeing with and sympathizing with more and more conservative ideals. for example, the whole occupy wallstreet 1% shit. not that the ideas behind it were all that wrong or awful, but something about the uninformed sheep mentality pisses me off more and more as i get older. Here in tucson we got the Univeridty of Arizona and close by is 4th Avenue, a hippie-hipster meca for douschbaggery. And it seems younger kids, especially college kids, join movements for the sake of joining movements, for the sake of rebelling and believing the world is out to get them. I find the older i get, the less i care about peoples particular beliefs, and more in the strength in which the follow their beliefs. I may not always agree with conservatives, but i do admire the strength in their convictions. [/quote]
Hmmmmm, for me it is the opposite. In my teens & twentys I was a young Republican, & very active in the church. These days, while I may have been in better “shape” back then, I’m much stronger, yet Obama is not liberal enough for me (I wanted Hilary). I’m in my 40’s, employed, own my own home (paid off!)2 young children. . . could not imagine voting Republican.[/quote]

Must be skinny.[/quote]
HaHaHa! No I WAS skinny, & voted Republican now I’m much heavier, stronger, liberal. . .

As to Obama being more liberal then Hilary I think they may be somewhat even in actual practice. I do think Mrs. Clinton would have ram rodded single payer Canadian/European style healthcare through congress, & I’m for that instead of the bloated mess of attempted compromise we ended up with, to be clear I’m not at all satisfied with Obamacare. Hilary knows how to play the Game. [/quote]

And what’s this grand reason for being a radical (I suppose that is what you’re referring to rather than saying you’re classical liberal, which is closer to conservatism than most Republicans).[/quote]
Unless the term “radical” is more elastic then I think it is, I don’t consider myself a radical. My only point was that in my personal experience the premise of this thread & some the comments: stronger people vote more conservative, or you get more conservative as you get older. . .don’t really pan out.

The older I get the more I seem to wander to the left.

All I’m saying, no grand reasons Haha, did make me chuckle though. Thanks