[quote]Alffi wrote:
IainK wrote:
Firstly the ulitmate test of strength is really; floor to overhead, squat, bench and deadlift
Anyway most PL would be stronger than a BB of equal weight etc, in most lifts. Any pressing, deadlifting or squat variants the PL would be at an advantage. This already covers alot of ground including grip strength. Sure this advantage would be greatest in the powerlifts, but would extend throught the body. I forsee that it would be some single joint lifts or machine lifts that the difference would be the least and a BB may well do better at.
So we have a PL def being stronger (comparing like for like) at;
Floor to OH
Benching
Squating
Deadlifting
Whilst BB may win;
Curls
Side raises
Not much of a contest?
Thats not to say that BB arn’t strong. But compared to a PL or Weightlifter they are gona come off 2nd best at most meaningfull tests of whole body strength.
Too many gave good responses so I had to pick something.
So what we’ve established so far is:
-bodybuilders may fare better in some single joint and machine exercises (for example leg press,hamstring curl,tricep extension,curls)
-technique makes some difference in powerlifting performance. It’s not huge like weightlifting but it probably makes SOME difference. Like a bodybuilder does not have to try to find the proper technique to suit poor leverages for deadlifting,benching,stretch reflex manipulation etc.
-a bodybuilder will or has the opportunity to switch exercises around,which discourages consistent development in specific lifts to some extent.
I may be wrong but I don’t think the last two facts are very often brought up in introductions to weights. So the beginner is left with the idea that high repping weight will discourage optimal limit strength development. May it be so, but how much difference do those factors that are usually not mentioned make? How drastic is the difference really? I think ignorance about those factors may be skewing people’s,beginners’ perceptions for the worse.
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Why? How is any of that information going to change how anyone trains?
Many powerlifters do lighter assistance work in higher rep ranges…many switch these around on a weekly basis.
At least some bodybuilders consistently squat and pull heavy for low reps.
I think most people actually involved in those sports at the higher levels train appropriately for themselves. Beginners make all kinds of mistakes…the ones you are worrying about are just a drop in the bucket. Beginners should get to lifting with strong, experienced guys, or at least listening to them to get on track as fast as possible.
Masturbatory topic in my opinion.