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Strength Goals


#1

Jim,

You've mentioned about relative strength and conditioning goals, what would be your goals for maximum strength? You've mentioned about 400 sq/500 dl in the forums before, is this your recommendation?

I just want to know what is the bench mark for someone who is truly in shape, truly strong.

Thanks


#2

In general, as part of a TOTAL training program, I would recommend 2.5x’s bodyweight for squat OR deadlift. This is for anyone 220 or under (or so). Obviously bodyweight recommendations don’t hold out for bigger dudes.

Once again, this is part of a TOTAL training program in which we have standards for different tests.


#3

Holy fucking shit I’m so fucking weak.

Thanks Jim for the reply. But…goddamn got a loooong way to go.


#4

I was reminded of this.
http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/1252
Do you still stand by such standards (pretty sure you do) and how many of them have you achieved? Just curious.


#5

[quote]Benanything wrote:
I was reminded of this.
http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/1252
Do you still stand by such standards (pretty sure you do) and how many of them have you achieved? Just curious.[/quote]

I fucking love this list. I hadn’t taken a look at it in awhile. It’s funny how perspective changes on these things. I remember the first time I saw this list, I just laughed and thought ‘no fucking way, not in this lifetime’. Now it’s more like… I might just get there (I’m closer to some than others… that dip number is serious).


#6

[quote]xl507 wrote:
Holy fucking shit I’m so fucking weak.

Thanks Jim for the reply. But…goddamn got a loooong way to go. [/quote]

That’s the top of the mountain for someone - someone that also has SERIOUS conditioning goals. I always say that if someone can deadlift or squat 500 pounds, run a 6:00 mile and do 20 chin/pull-ups, they’ll be as good as they need to be.


#7

[quote]Benanything wrote:
I was reminded of this.
http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/1252
Do you still stand by such standards (pretty sure you do) and how many of them have you achieved? Just curious.[/quote]

I do not. I have developed better, more well-rounded standards. One thing that we preach here is constant evolution - it’s part of our life philosophy. If I was same person I was when I wrote that, and had learned nothing, I would be a total failure.


#8

[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:

[quote]Benanything wrote:
I was reminded of this.
http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/1252
Do you still stand by such standards (pretty sure you do) and how many of them have you achieved? Just curious.[/quote]

I do not. I have developed better, more well-rounded standards. One thing that we preach here is constant evolution - it’s part of our life philosophy. If I was same person I was when I wrote that, and had learned nothing, I would be a total failure.[/quote]

Wow, this is actually rather eye opening and enlightening, thanks Jim. It’s good food for thought.


#9

[quote]Benanything wrote:

[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:

[quote]Benanything wrote:
I was reminded of this.
http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/1252
Do you still stand by such standards (pretty sure you do) and how many of them have you achieved? Just curious.[/quote]

I do not. I have developed better, more well-rounded standards. One thing that we preach here is constant evolution - it’s part of our life philosophy. If I was same person I was when I wrote that, and had learned nothing, I would be a total failure.[/quote]

Wow, this is actually rather eye opening and enlightening, thanks Jim. It’s good food for thought.[/quote]

As you get older, you don’t always get wiser. You just look at things differently thus your different perspective makes you appear wiser.


#10

[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:

[quote]xl507 wrote:
Holy fucking shit I’m so fucking weak.

Thanks Jim for the reply. But…goddamn got a loooong way to go. [/quote]

That’s the top of the mountain for someone - someone that also has SERIOUS conditioning goals. I always say that if someone can deadlift or squat 500 pounds, run a 6:00 mile and do 20 chin/pull-ups, they’ll be as good as they need to be.

[/quote]

I just typed a massive question asking how should one go about this. But just looking at these fucking numbers puts everything in perspective - there is no short-cut, just brutal (and smart, hopefully) work for the rest of my life.