You’re right. Why anyone would want to take enough testosterone to not be miserable or have any pride is beyond me. All these guys doing 200mg cycles that are all sexy as fuck, pounding chicks and just owning life should drop down to 49mg and bend over.
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Sounds like you are addicted to high testosterone and dont have confidence in yourself.
Maybe you should be pounding the sexy guys on cycles by the tone of your message!
I already love this forum for the back and forth discussions and trolling, ha!
What I don’t understand is why my dick doesn’t work, it’s flaccid all the time, beating it does nothing, I feel anhedonia. I honestly feel my dick kind of start working again towards the weekly trough…so I’m wondering if 140mg/week is too much for me.
Or…I have switched to 27g 1/2 inch needles and am injecting into thigh, or 25g 1 inch into my glute.
Prior, I was using 1.5 inch 22gauge needles which hurt, but I felt better on the injections. I feel like I do not do well with any amount of T oil near my adipose tissue. I’ve had puffy nips since puberty and it drives me insane. I do need to drop body weight but it’s not crazy. 220 pounds at 6ft 3 inches.
I just quit dipping this weekend, idk if nicotine and too much caffeine were fucking with my blood pressure, but something is wrong.
I’d add that once I switched to 27g half inch needles, I have legit like 3 extra vials of testosterone now, if not more. As in I’m like 2 months ahead on vials, but I’ve been picking up script every 30 days. There is 0 loss with insulin syringes…so vials must have >1mL in them? Because when I was using 22g needles 3mL syringe I’d use 3 vials exactly every 4 weeks.
This was a long ass rambling. I don’t know if I need less T or more T. Fun times.
When you were using larger needles your dose was probably higher because there was dead space and the amount of test in the needle? Are you injecting once per week? Maybe you were actually getting more like 150mg with the larger needles?
Injecting with 22g 1.5 in needles is nuts. I couldn’t imagine doing that. Largest I ever used was 23g 1 in and I quickly moved to 25g 1 in and am now using 29g .5 in.
What’s your shbg? What’s about TT, and FT >?
Your numbers look good up above… and E2 seems good.
Many men report losing the very little libido they had when going on TRT. Some report it increasing. I’m one of the former unfortunately, just like you.
My SHBG has always been low. I was pre-diabetic, and had metabolic syndrome. But, they think my hypothalamus has been fucked since I was a kid because since 5/6 years old I’ve had excessive sweating and hot-flashes and inability to thermo-regulate.
My FT has been getting higher and higher and I think it’s “too high” now, because free T = free E and with my low SHBG, nothing is binding the estradiol. I used to look puffy with water weight, now not so much, but I get constipated, and I feel like I’m 60 when I try to take a piss because I have to like strain to piss in small spurts, and I’m only 33.
Havn’t checked PSA in a while, but I am prescribed 5mg of cialis every day but I dropped it to 2.5mg every day because it’s fucking $150 a month and not covered. I stopped taking it because I havn’t been laid in 17 years anyway, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon though I’m lifting and working on it. I aint telling chicks I have little sexual experience anymore because last time I think the chick thought something was fucked up about me and cut it off because I was “too open”.
LIFT THE PAIN AWAY.
But yeah, when I was on 150mg/week AND DRINKING, even though my trough was 557 ng/dL, I felt AMAZING. Like, I wanted to actually “hump” things and thrust my hips and displayed male sexual behavior. Now I feel ambivalent to everything and can’t even jerk off, there is no pleasure and no feeling.
I quit drinking almost 2 years ago and it’s helped my physical body, but maybe it helped me also remove more T/E when my liver was full bore.
I did feel good at 120mg/week but of course, wanted “more”. I may just have to go back to 120mg/a week and wait 6 weeks for excess T to leave system and see if I feel better.
Low E2 on that last protocol.
Your numbers look similar to mine. I too am low shbg and nothing has really worked. I also wondering about going really low, something like 75mg test a week.
Too bad your dr. doesn’t allow for more Test. You could try (first) going up to something like 100mg E3D. Your low E2 can certainly afford it.
It’s strange though that it dropped that much (last protocol).
I also wonder if i need more E2… or way less. Cause i just haven’t felt much on TRT on various protocols.
Well interesting you mention E2!!! I had him do a normal E2 test, and a sensitive one. The difference was over 100%!!
I went to 2x a week thinking I would lower peak, raise trough, and lower E2. All those were correct, but I felt worse, super oily skin, dead dick, super depressed.
You can see my normal E2 test was 12pg, but sensitive was 25pg, more than double. And my total estrogens were near high at “trough” of end of 3.5 days.
I may be able to ask for more with reason. I was on 150mg before, he really goes by trough numbers on the total T charts. He initially wanted me 400-500 and I showed him a graph saying I wanted to be 657 at least which was median for my age 30-35.
The dead dick thing is likely E2. Was it better on your once weekly protocols?
I dropped my E2 down to 20 once and i felt emotionless. Like a robot.
I did feel some libido on 300 every other week, oddly enough.
FYI: don’t know who your pharmacy is, but use goodrx coupon for cialis. You can get it DIRT cheap with those coupons. Just present to your pharmacy.
I’d also add physically it’s been life changing for my body dysphoria, though I still see a hairless pre-pubescent man-child with no facial hair or body hair. Being on TRT even 10 months gave me chest hair, a full beard, and more arm/body/leg hair. I never felt like a woman or a tranny or anything, I just felt like women didn’t view me as a man and it was emasculating…and literature on Kallmann syndrome, cHH which I was diagnosed with (the less worse variant), say even after TRT…people don’t get rid of their psychological psychosexual issues with rejection during puberty. Fucked up but I’m in therapy for it now.
Go back to once a week.
Yeah I’m not sure if drinking gave me MORE E2 which sex drive is shown to be related to E2, or less E2 via increased liver clearance. I’ve been fucking around way too much with my dosage I’m on 80mg every 4 days now to see how that works but just started this week.
Try the 80mg for a month and see what happens.
I have your same diagnosis. Messed up pituitary. Hopefully you’ve explored your thyroid too.
But if i were you, get back to more spaced out, larger shots. Thats what was working. (or at least more beneficial).
There was a guy over on ExcelMale formum with low shbg. He stated that ppl with low shbg actually need much MORE test to feel anything.
And I’ve read the opposite, that they need less because they will always have higher FT, but less TT, so to track FT not TT…and it’s usually recommended to inject ED or EoD. But…the pharmacokinetics of more frequent injections for a compound with a 7-8 day half life don’t make sense.
Yeah when I started I felt worse towards the end of the week on injections, then I started to feel better…now I feel not great all the way through. Sleep is trash recently though bad insomnia…and for 2 months on 70mg every 3.5 days I had the most INSANE tinitus I’ve ever experienced. That’s when it all went to shit when I changed to more frequent injections.
So indeed, I may go back down. My FT is I think over-range according to some ranges I’ve seen, and that’s on trough, so elevated above it during the week. Weee a never ending journey of dose and timing.
EDIT: And yeah, I was subclinical hypothyroid prior to TRT. Now my prolactin is down, my TSH is down from 4.23 to 2.7, and my HDL/LDL are perfect, same with cholesterol. Testosterone CURED my metabolic syndrome, insulin resistance, IBS/Bloody stool, and has allowed me to drop a shitload of weight. The only thing that’s fucked is my libido…but yet I feel more…stable?
I don’t gamble or drink compulsively like I used to…it’s like my desire to chase dopamine highs is gone, for both risky gambling, and sex as well though.
The guy i mentioned was the outlier. Most say less test.
I feel like the issue is that you need enough test to feel libido, but that amount also causes your ED, cause of too much E2.
I currently am trying to get my FT up very high, and use some arimidex to keep E2 in check.
If this fails, i will go back to weekly shots and basically try a small steroid dose. Like 300 a week. See if i feel SOMETHING…
This whole thing really is sad. It’s like having a relationship is impossible. I am attracted to women, but the physio responses don’t happen. They did when i was young… like teens. But then it all just stopped working. I don’t get that “blue balls” feeling anymore. I could mess around with a woman all day and just feel very little. It’s horrible.
Dude that is the issue right there! A physiological response is what’s gone now. I remember getting a hard on when I was younger finding a ripped rained on piece of a playboy, now I need extreme shit to even get hard on porn. I’m trying to quit porn currently.
The point is though, when the hypothalamus is broken, you’re not getting the pulse of Kisspeptin – GnRH — LH – Testosterone surge nitric oxide surge functioning males get. That is legit the sexual arousal process.
Physically I feel great on T, but it’s like its inhibited my sexual arousal process. I got tons of confidence back, and actually started dating a chick on OkCupid. She was horny af and we had sex one time and I couldn’t get hard. Granted I was anxious as fuck because it was the first time trying to have sex in 17 years…so, I give myself a break. But it still was shitty. I got some cialis and after a week it started working, but it was the arrousal piece that was missing. Like I said, I’m not even aroused looking at any kind of porn as of late.
The hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis does function in “real time” during sex and foreplay and ours is permanently shut-off.
I’ve read some exciting/depressing results on male rats.
Castrated male rats show 0 mounting behavior…which makes sense. That mounting is restored if testosterone is given, BUT if the males were “inexperienced” meaning they were kept away from females during puberty, they mounted/orgasmed less. Whereas, an “experienced” male had 0 problem going to town.
What this states is that, at least in rats, and I think I’ve seen in monkeys, there is a LEARNING window for NEW NEURONS to grow during puberty when sex happens that solidifies those neural connections between sexual arousal and sexual performance.
So having hypogonadism during puberty with a 171ng/dL level really not only fucked my body and mind up, I pray to got it didn’t permanently lose me the chance to solidify those neural connections.
I’m looking into Kisspeptin now actually to restore the entire HPTA. My pituitary works because I responded to Clomid, it’s my hypothalamus that never sent enough GnRH.
I think that your E2 might actually be too low. If things worked better when drinking, and your Total T was lower, then i would follow that your body might prefer a higher E2 to test ratio. So, in your case, maybe adding dome HCG would do you a lot of good. I’m also interested to know if you are in fact calculating your dose correctly. Vials don’t come with a bunch of extra, and 22ga don’t waste THAT much stuff.
If you felt better in the injection with the bigger syringe that went deeper into the muscle, then maybe try injecting into your delts with the insulin pins. This could be the difference between shallow IM and deep IM affecting you.
Never heard of kisspeptin.
I very much feel like i’m faking during a relationship. Thank god viagra works for the most part. My gf was questioning me yesterday about why i never really push for sex. Sucks. She doesn’t know anything about my issues. I’m an actor basically.
Interesting. So you think a deeper injection could actually make a difference?
My gut says no, but because it makes zero difference to ME. But, goofier things than that can make a difference to people. Only one way to find out. I know plenty of guys prefer IM to Sub-Q, even though the bloodwork says it’s all the same.
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