[quote]bostonbigticket wrote:
Thewannabe wrote:
bostonbigticket wrote:
“Im just trying to figure out if I can take them without REALLY doing damage to my self”
Dude your a fucking dumbass are you kidding? Stay off the juice unless there is alot of money in it for you (proffessional sports) and your willing to accept that you will die an early death.
Slaps bostonbigticket with a fish for spewing propaganda
Doing a cycle will not cause an early death, however being on large doses with no off period can shorted your life. Being on small doses for a long period of time is pretty much TRT, usually you would use this if you have a very large amount of muscle mass and you want to keep all of it, or you are 35+ and need HRT.
I am not saying it will necessarily cause early death all I m saying is if your gonna get involved with this stuff you should be ok with that possibility. Obviously what stuff you use and how long you use it will determine how it will effect your body but either way your gonna do damage.
Being a libertarian I think this steroids should be legalized, that being said I cant for the life of me understand why anyone especially an amateur would use them. Do what you want its your body just understand that there are consequences for pushing your body beyond its natural capabilities with drugs.
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I know that there are consequences, I was just trying to gauge the extra side effects of doing them at 18 vs 25. Other than the fact that you can still pretty easily make gains at 18 naturally.
[quote]bostonbigticket wrote:
All these decisions are a balancing act. How bad do you want this record? Is it worth the damage to your internal organs.
Any of us involved in lifting who are trying to bulk are potentially decreasing our life spans by increasing our metabolic rates. In theory we will die faster, of course there are other factors that are byproducts of working out that may negate that.
If I sound like a preachy asshole I m sorry I just hate to see someone who probably could do perfectly well without drugs use them just so they could make a number.
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You dont sound like a preachy asshole, if I didnt want to hear the truth I wouldnt have asked on T-Nation. I have asked one of the many 15-17 year old kids at my school who take steroids without PCT’s if steroids would hurt me. And then have them tell me what I want to hear.
Powerlifting is very important to me, its the only thing I have ever been good at lol. I used to be 200lbs 2 years ago, not really fat either just sort of chubby. I could have droped another 20lbs and been lean and been one of the bb.com kids who does drugs, just wants to look good, and barley lifts. It would have been easy.
Instead I bulked 120lbs to look like shit for the sake of getting stronger, if I can go through 2 years of being fat by choice when Im 15-17 then I gotta have some serious love for what Im doing.
[quote]4est wrote:
Powerlifting gyms:
http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/4420[/quote]
Thanks man, I looked there before. There are some gyms somewhat close by. One of them being tampa barbell, but I cant make the schedule because they are only open 2 days a week and one of the days is on saturday… I have church and believe your supposed to rest on the 7th day so I cant make it. Believe me it kills me inside.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Cut the fucking shit log already. If the dude wants to take gear and see how far he can go powerlifting then its his decision. We only live once on this orbiting turd and we don’t get our fucking nickel back when we die. I do believe that gear at this point is uncalled for, due to the fact that said dude is a tank already. I say no to steroids at 18 but at a later date, 20+, the decision is yours. [/quote]
Thanks for the response! I definitely see what your saying about steroids not being needed at 18. I dont think there is anyone on the planet who could reach anywhere close to their genetic limit as a teenager. So I should just ride it out on my natural gains until Im older.
[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
bostonbigticket wrote:
He asked for advice so I m giving it. He asked if people thought he could do it without significant damage to his body. If you dont like that then start another post. It is his decision but if he asks for advice and I have an opnion I m going to give it.
The argument is similar to saying well I ll do coke cause it will make me a porn star in bed. While that may be true it will also do alot of damage to your brain and cardiovascular system and eventually you wont even be able to get it up.
So go ahead and use it if you wish but dont be delusional and think you can use it without harming your internal organs. If you accept the known damage it causes and still choose to do it then fine but just dont be friggen ignorant.
And the documented evidence of the damage AAS causes is…
Oh c’mon EE there are SOME! The problem is that a lot of studies we’d like to see done are considered unethical.
To the OP - what do you want to do with your life other than hit this total? Will this total open up career opportunities or is just something you want to do? Have you checked out strictly tested federations? Would starting at 25 be that bad? You probably have still yet to grow a little bit, which could mean a lot to your future strength. I assume you will be training for the next 60 years. Will it matter what you did as an 18 yo, or that you kept at it for the long haul and your training complemented your life?
Sounds like you know what you’re doing and I’m not opposed to whatever you decide. I’d just like you to consider the consequences.
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Well, if possible I would like to go into strong man after I reach some of my powerlifting goals. And other than that make money off doing what I love. Anything from athlete, strongman, gym owner, personal trainer. Lifting tons of weight would definitely open doors for me in the strong man world. Which is where all of the money really is…
It doesnt matter in the scheme of things what I do at 18, however, haveing the highest raw lifts there ever was as a teenager would be a life time accomplishment in anyones book. However, I wouldnt want to do this at the sake of cutting my lifting career short.
I could probably stay natural and break the world records for 18-19 depending on what federation I competed in. But takeing a world record in most federations is on technicality, just because the federation has the world record bench for SHW’s at 525 doesnt mean thats the real world record, you know?
Thanks for taking the time to write that out.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I’m with Horatio. You’re a beast right now, and I know you want the record bad. Real bad.
But consider this–perhaps if you join a powerlifting gym and train with them you can add a significant amount to your total. You may or may not break the teen record. But on the other hand by staying natural until 20 or 25 and getting even stronger naturally you could potentially strike at the ALL-TIME records with AAS.
So the question is, will you care more about the teen record at the cost of an ALL-TIME record, or could you potentially give up a shot at teen greatness for a good chance of breaking the all time numbers?
I’ll recap–“You probably have still yet to grow a little bit, which could mean a lot to your future strength”[/quote]
When I say steroids at 18 Im really only talking 2 cycles, one to cut, and 1 to bulk back up a few months later. And by this point I would be allot leaner and allot stronger. I would probably already have over the world records raw for the 18-19 age group. (Probably a solid 2000lb raw total in comp at 18)
It wouldnt make it so I couldnt take other records later on, the majority of the top powerlfiters out there right now have been on steroids for probably 10-20 years and they still make gains even at their freakishly high level.
Would 1-2 cycles at 18 really make me not reach my full height potential? I always assumed this was based off people taking steroids at a much younger age, taking them for to long, and taking them wrong. Which in reality, anyone would get messed up doing that, especially at the young person the study was probably done on. I wouldnt be surprised at all if these studys were based off kids that were 12-16 years old with dosages no one here would touch for time frames no one here would do.
I could be wrong tho, there are so many different articles on the internet it is hard to really know the truth about these things.
Thanks for the post man!
[quote]Electric_E wrote:
I get the impression the Op is a determined fellow so I guess he will go ahead and do the gear anyway.
OP I would say the main reason not to start now is that at your age you have a massive amount of natural test in your system, and you do not need the gear just yet.
But if you are going to do it anyway please be honest and let us know, come back with another thread and let us know what you plan to do/take.
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Im not set on a course to do anything at 18 at the moment, because I dont know where I will be in a year or two from not, Im just researching and looking at the possibility’s.
Its really more of a matter of can I safely do them than anything else. (which sounds like I can, it would just be a waste in the long run because you can still make gains naturally easily at 18) I would happily sacrifice some natural gains while Im 18 if it means making me the strongest teenager in history. Because once I have that no one can ever take that away from me.
If I decide to do anything I will definitely come back here for help, Il probably have a really detailed log with pictures and video’s in here to, if I do take steroids.
Either way, I just turned 17, I got a while before Im even 18, and then 2 years from than to reach my goals. So I may not even need steroids at all.
Thanks for all the reply s and help everybody! It didnt go on deaf ears.