Extremely expensive for them to test for steroids and majority of SF / Ranger all experiment with PEDs. Very common. As long as you don’t flip out and beat your wife or anything crazy nobody cares.
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Its all about deniable plausibility. As long as they dont see it and you don’t give someone a reason to gun for you, it won’t hurt anyone. I wouldnt trust very many people with that kind of personal knowledge though.
In 4 years, I’ve been tested for steroids exactly once, and it was after another guy in my company got arrested for assault, and admitted to steroid use during the investigation. Other than that, never been tested, nor heard of someone being tested.
Edit: I don’t want this to be seen as me giving tacit approval, I’m just trying to throw info out there so he can at least make an informed choice based upon relevant facts
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Bravo. You’re smarter than 99% of the 20 year olds that come into forums like this. Thank you for your service and dedication. Best of luck to you.
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I don’t say this to indicate you will get in trouble; I say this to indicate you will be violating the laws of your service irrespective of if you get caught.
As a refresher
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”"
Emphasis mine.
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Get off of your box Preacher.
You will have to forgive my opinion on the topic. I apologize that we do not share the same thoughts on the matter.
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You’ve already told the kid about violating the UCMJ. Point was taken the first time. IF he gets in trouble then you were right. But he doesn’t need to be lectured about violating his Oath along with further reference to UCMJ. Even then a couple NJP’s are good for the soul.
Did you serve? Sound like a cop
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I am so happy to see that the members of the armed forces take the rules seriously.
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I apologize, it appears I poorly communicated my point. It was not the risk of consequences, but the fact he swore an oath stating he would not do as such. To violate such an oath would mark one as having questionable integrity and tends to remain philosophically inconsistent for many.
Most folks tend to consider themselves people of integrity. I imagine he considers himself to be that way. This would be an instance of demonstrating the opposite.
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And yet here you are on the forums for steroids. Let me guess you are all Natty like Rich?
No? You use gear?
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I don’t use gear, no. This topic interested me primarily for the reasons I have addressed it (specifically on the nature of oath violations and the implications it bears on one’s self perception/the cognitive dissonance therein).
I bear no grudge against those that choose to use steroids absent an oath to do otherwise, but when military or law enforcement engage it becomes a philosophically fascinating topic.
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I find it hard to think that is it a violation of UCMJ or his oath because of a victim-less crime. I put it on the same level as Marijuana. As long as its not impairing judgement for duty. I believe the oath is used as a brain washing technique to keep people as sheep. I am not sure people feel bound by this Oath as much as they use to.
Using gear doesn’t mean that person lacks integrity or has violated an Oath.
Does a person lack integrity because they like Oral sex ? That violates UCMJ and which in return violates the Oath. Art 125 UCMJ
How about indecent language para 89 Art 134? Adultery - Art 134 ? Obscene Mail Para 94 - can’t look at porn. All punishable under UCMJ
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I believe a person lacks integrity when they break a law that they supposedly agreed to follow when they joined an organization.
For the record- I have no issues with steroid use in the general populace. I have issues when people use it in competitive sports where it’s illegal (the argument that everyone is using it holds no water for me; if everyone is using it then those involved should be working to either stop the use or legalize it completely; not hide things under the table and go on) and find it interesting that people in the police force and military, supposedly the bastion of law and order of the nation, are ok with breaking laws that they don’t think matters.
I’m interested in this for the same reason Pwnisher is.
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I feel on this topic we will have to agree to disagree.
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False you will not get dishonrable. You will get either general or oth discharge. Dishonorable is hard to get.
Can the adults in the room act as such?! We have a young man here in the early stages of his military career considering a major choice in life. He’s already chosen one; to serve his country, potentially putting his life on the line for us. Preaching and arguing serves him no purpose, only your own.
Armyguy35 those stats are brickhouse for someone your age, be proud of your efforts! Regardless of what anyone says. Good Luck to you!
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This is why I make the comments I make. As you’ve noted: he’s already sworn an oath to defend his country. This would be a violation of that oath.
You are correct in that he is considering a major life choice: violating his oath. My hope would be that he takes the path that is not violating that oath, so that he may continue to serve his country honorably.
Well done. If you really have listened to the wise heads advising you and have made a decision to protect your young health, then that is damn good thing. The very best of good fortune in your career.
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I think all parties have kept their opinions pretty classy. There have been no personal hits and everybody is entitled to their version/opinion. I actually enjoyed the dialogue.
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