[quote]squat junky wrote:
Having read the sticky over a few times, I still have three questions concerning the implementation of a post-cycle stasis taper that I would like a little clarification on.
1)If one only has prop, is a stasis taper feasible if shot ed or eod? I know that cyp or enth would be better suited, given that they would provide for more stable levels, but can prop be used to reasonable effect.
2)I have heard it suggested that a 6 week cycle could perhaps be followed only by a 4-6 week stasis period, followed by a standard SERM pct without use of a taper. Do any of you guys have any thoughts or experiences on this?
3)Do you guys feel that, following a 6 week, short-estered + oral cycle, the benefits accruing from a stasis taper would likely outweigh those of a standard SERM PCT, given that HCG is used on cycle?
Thanks in advance for any input.
Yes, using the prop eod would be effective and give you stable blood levels. Actually probably better then using longer-esters.
No real need for a taper on a short cycle if you are using orals and fast clearing injectables, although going from being ‘on’ to being ‘off’ is going to give you alot of side effects in the first couple of weeks off: body acne, and its not in anyway a smooth transistion to normal in anyway shape or form. Six weeks I would say it would take. HCG use post cycle might be a better approach than just serm use.
Me I would probably use hcg now and aromasin for that short a cycle as the hcg can be used as a crutch for the fist couple weeks off to get some testosterone levels happening while your body normalizes… Then stop the hcg and hit the serm and the aromasin a little longer. At some point you have to come clean off everything and let your body figure things out for itself.
If you are using a long clearing injectables for a six week cycle, then a waiting period at least for the 4 weeks is optimal, to allow clearance times before begining hpta recovery.
I would recomend even shorter cycles using weaker androgenic gear if what you are looking for is a boost but keeping your optimal hpta fuction in mind. 2-3x off as compared to on is probably optimal… [/quote]
Prisoner are there any updates or ‘upgrades’ to your original taper protocol? Anything that you may have changed since then that works better?
Im a very slow recoverer hence why I am going to try the prop/mast taper, I was just wondering that by using the taper method I will be suppressed longer then a conventional PCT, is this not correct?
Also I will discontinue my hCG use at week 16, so through the taper will I not get shutdown at the prop/mast dose of 50/50?[/quote]
I would incorporate hcg now into the waiting peroid.
as for using the mast and test together, keep in mind you are reducing the amount as you taper. WHen used in conjunction with a serm…
the entire reason for the taper and the waiting period is that immediately following a cycle your body doesn’t have the ability to recover… you have to give it time to reset itself.[/quote]
In my case, a shit-load of time.
Ok will follow your advice of running hCG through the waiting period, I was initially considering this anyway.
From a recovery perspective, do you think clomid or nolva is superior in conjuction with the prop/mast?
Also slightly off-topic, do you recommend ommitting carbs from the diet before bed-time while on cycle to stay lean? Or to make most of the cycle and go all out with carbs?[/quote]
To be honest I don’t use either clomid or nolva as I hate them both because of the side effects, but the research I based the taper on was done using 50mg of clomid per day.
as for carbs on cycle, it really depends what time of day you train at. Best to keep carbs to a minium during the day time prior to training, and then be more liberal following. If you train in the evening, then thats when I would eat most of my carbs. It all comes down to staying insulin sensitive, and maximizing nutrition uptake and utilization.
Im not going to explain this further… but this is the approach I would take. No point in fattening up for the sake of it, if your going to add weight add muscle weight.
Thank you for the very informative post P.