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Starting Strength vs Reg Park 5x5


#1

What is your opinions on these two routines in terms of getting big and strong? the two routines both focus on the same compounds like squats, deadlifts, presses etc but the only difference is that one program has barbell rows why the ss has power cleans.

Also reg parks and ss are both 3x5 with RP having only two warm up sets and SS having lots more warm up sets.

But what is better for getting very big and strong (well i should say in terms of strength since getting massive is to with your meal plans etc).


#2

They both work. Flip a coin. Once they stop working, do something else.


#3

I think Greyskull LP, which draws from SS, is better than both. It is far more balanced, and many have gotten more out of it for a longer period of time.


#4

Is more warm ups better then 2? and if yeah! why


#5

All three mentioned so far are fine beginner programs.


#6

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I think Greyskull LP, which draws from SS, is better than both. It is far more balanced, and many have gotten more out of it for a longer period of time. [/quote]

You know he’s going to spend the next 3 weeks researching that instead of choosing one.

OP, what have you been doing since joining here?


#7

Look at some pics of Rip.

Look at some pics of Reg.

Look at Reg’s greatest follower (Arnold).

Look at Rip’s followers.


#8

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Is more warm ups better then 2? and if yeah! why[/quote]

Whichever gets you to reach your goals.


#9

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Is more warm ups better then 2? and if yeah! why[/quote]

Do enough warm up sets to get you warmed up and no more. If this sounds vague, it is. So many things can affect how much of a warm-up you need it’s almost impossible to program, but with a bit of experience, you’ll know whether you’re ready for your work sets or not.


#10

[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
Look at some pics of Rip.

Look at some pics of Reg.

Look at Reg’s greatest follower (Arnold).

Look at Rip’s followers.[/quote]

Not very good answer since schwarzenegger was a well known steroid user soo saying 'look at reg parks most famous user is well…


#11

[quote]dagill2 wrote:

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Is more warm ups better then 2? and if yeah! why[/quote]

Do enough warm up sets to get you warmed up and no more. If this sounds vague, it is. So many things can affect how much of a warm-up you need it’s almost impossible to program, but with a bit of experience, you’ll know whether you’re ready for your work sets or not.[/quote]

So other words, you recken SS is a better program since Reg Park only has two warn ups, well heavier warm ups like for example for deadlifts 22kg, 43kg and 63kg for the working weight or 23kg, 25kg and 27kg for bench.


#12

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:

[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
Look at some pics of Rip.

Look at some pics of Reg.

Look at Reg’s greatest follower (Arnold).

Look at Rip’s followers.[/quote]

Not very good answer since schwarzenegger was a well known steroid user soo saying 'look at reg parks most famous user is well…[/quote]

And given that steroids are even more prevalent and accessible today, shouldn’t Rip’s followers look even better?


#13

the difference between results from these two programs when properly followed will be exactly zero.

Just pick whichever you like the look of best


#14

[quote]Yogi wrote:
the difference between results from these two programs when properly followed will be exactly zero.

Just pick whichever you like the look of best[/quote]

BUT HE NEEDS THE ONE TRUE PROGRAM THAT WILL GIVE THE GAINZ!


#15

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:
the difference between results from these two programs when properly followed will be exactly zero.

Just pick whichever you like the look of best[/quote]

BUT HE NEEDS THE ONE TRUE PROGRAM THAT WILL GIVE THE GAINZ![/quote]

then he must do the Keanu Reeves 5x5


#16

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:
the difference between results from these two programs when properly followed will be exactly zero.

Just pick whichever you like the look of best[/quote]

BUT HE NEEDS THE ONE TRUE PROGRAM THAT WILL GIVE THE GAINZ![/quote]

then he must do the Keanu Reeves 5x5[/quote]

Haha I just watched the truly epic Man of Tai Chi again and this got me laughing.


#17

OP, I suggest you do a program where progression is already planned for you if you’re going to overthink all this.


#18

[quote]1 Man Island wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I think Greyskull LP, which draws from SS, is better than both. It is far more balanced, and many have gotten more out of it for a longer period of time. [/quote]

You know he’s going to spend the next 3 weeks researching that instead of choosing one.

OP, what have you been doing since joining here?[/quote]

Disclaimer: 1) Your post makes sense considering noobs’ reputations. 2) Not arguing with you. 3) I’ve liked your posts. Simply, no e-beef in this post.

That program can be understood in about a half hour or from a quick skim of and detailed read of key parts in the book. If someone can’t wrap their head around a workout consisting of bench press, curls, and squats, or overhead press, chinups, and deadlifts, with some plugins for weak parts or desired muscle size, something else is going on.

Greyskull corrects SS’s weakness, I believe, namely progressing in reps after a stall (double progression) or progressing with better autoregulation when reps over 10 in key lifts are reached. Plus being it has more volume for upper body and upper body is hit before lower body each session, there will better muscular balance and symmetry (bodybuilding term) for the body. I’ve heard quite a few people dislike their lower-body-dominant results with SS.

And I think it’s good if he takes the time to look into the GS philosophy overall considering Johnny Pain emphasizes sound bulking (not that GOMAD stuff) and recommends other activity such as recreational sports, running, conditioning, and the like, rather than Rip’s recommendation of lifting three times per week, overbulking, and little or nothing else (unless I missed his recommendations for better nutrition and other activity).

The GS LP ebook can be read in a few hours, and a routine can be written in very little time and can be implemented tomorrow.


#19

[quote]1 Man Island wrote:

OP, what have you been doing since joining here?[/quote]

iceman, you never answered this.

Brick, I totally agree and am running GSLP, but I’m not really giving this kid the benefit of a doubt on anything.


#20

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]1 Man Island wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I think Greyskull LP, which draws from SS, is better than both. It is far more balanced, and many have gotten more out of it for a longer period of time. [/quote]

You know he’s going to spend the next 3 weeks researching that instead of choosing one.

OP, what have you been doing since joining here?[/quote]

Disclaimer: 1) Your post makes sense considering noobs’ reputations. 2) Not arguing with you. 3) I’ve liked your posts. Simply, no e-beef in this post.

That program can be understood in about a half hour or from a quick skim of and detailed read of key parts in the book. If someone can’t wrap their head around a workout consisting of bench press, curls, and squats, or overhead press, chinups, and deadlifts, with some plugins for weak parts or desired muscle size, something else is going on.

Greyskull corrects SS’s weakness, I believe, namely progressing in reps after a stall (double progression) or progressing with better autoregulation when reps over 10 in key lifts are reached. Plus being it has more volume for upper body and upper body is hit before lower body each session, there will better muscular balance and symmetry (bodybuilding term) for the body. I’ve heard quite a few people dislike their lower-body-dominant results with SS.

And I think it’s good if he takes the time to look into the GS philosophy overall considering Johnny Pain emphasizes sound bulking (not that GOMAD stuff) and recommends other activity such as recreational sports, running, conditioning, and the like, rather than Rip’s recommendation of lifting three times per week, overbulking, and little or nothing else (unless I missed his recommendations for better nutrition and other activity).

The GS LP ebook can be read in a few hours, and a routine can be written in very little time and can be implemented tomorrow. [/quote]

Lol just looked up that routine and a thread from the SS recommending it to intermediates after they stall on SS.

Btw dos it change a program if i add more warm ups and dos this sound ok or is it too near my working sets.

99lbs, 115lbs (working set) 139lbs for deadlifts.