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Started Prohormones, Noticing Breakouts

Hello everyone, names Chris 24 yrs old and a new member here at T-Nation. I just picked up a new supplement called Rage RV5, I’m sure you guys heard of this before. The local supplement shop recommended this to me, I’m pretty familiar with PH’s but can always learn more.

Onto my question, I started taking Rage RV5 Monday and just last night noticed alot of break outs on my shoulders, and back. Can this be from the Rage pills I am taking? If so what is causing the reaction, I know steriods cause break outs/oily skin but I’ve never had a product give me body acne. Can the Rage be causing the breakouts this soon into the cycle? Anything I should be aware of/cautious of when taking these pills. Thanks all I look forward to learning and becoming a steady member here.

From what I’ve read the PH are essentially steroids. Even more dangerous sometimes.

I know that anything that messes with hormone levels can induce acne. I even get some from Alpha Male.

If you really wanna know, I’d post this over in the steroids forum where the guys are more knowledgeable about this stuff.

[quote]Manic9803 wrote:

Onto my question, I started taking Rage RV5 Monday and just last night noticed alot of break outs on my shoulders, and back. Can this be from the Rage pills I am taking? If so what is causing the reaction, I know steriods cause break outs/oily skin but I’ve never had a product give me body acne. Can the Rage be causing the breakouts this soon into the cycle? Anything I should be aware of/cautious of when taking these pills. Thanks all I look forward to learning and becoming a steady member here.[/quote]

I’ve never heard of Rage RV5 - what’s the chemical breakdown? Seeing as you probably bought this at GNC, have you lined up a proper PCT?

I’ve run a few cycles of PH’s but never had too much acne, possibly due to my age.

To answer your question: Yes, one week is enough to start causing breakouts, and the shoulder/back is typically the first areas to see it.

Thank you for the reply, I haven’t noticed any changes as of yet however this is my 3rd day on the Rage. Anyone else have any insight, I just can’t see the acne starting two days into the cycle.

[quote]Polish Rifle wrote:
Manic9803 wrote:

Onto my question, I started taking Rage RV5 Monday and just last night noticed alot of break outs on my shoulders, and back. Can this be from the Rage pills I am taking? If so what is causing the reaction, I know steriods cause break outs/oily skin but I’ve never had a product give me body acne. Can the Rage be causing the breakouts this soon into the cycle? Anything I should be aware of/cautious of when taking these pills. Thanks all I look forward to learning and becoming a steady member here.

I’ve never heard of Rage RV5 - what’s the chemical breakdown? Seeing as you probably bought this at GNC, have you lined up a proper PCT?

I’ve run a few cycles of PH’s but never had too much acne, possibly due to my age.

To answer your question: Yes, one week is enough to start causing breakouts, and the shoulder/back is typically the first areas to see it.
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I will have to go get the bottle, I will post the information when I get that for you. I purchased it at a local supplement store I won’t shop at GNC. The break outs occured with in two days of the cycle.

Alright just got ahold of the bottle.

ANC makes it, Active Nutrition Corporation.

“Anabolic Testosterone Activator”

Ingredients:

4 chloro 17a methyl androst-1, 4diene 25mg

Estra-4, 9-Diene-3, 17-dione 20mg

17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol 10mg

Other ingredients Rice, Flour, Magnesium Stearate.

First off I see 2 methyl groups in there. That is bad news, as 1 methyl group will do plenty of damage to the liver on its own (if taken for a long enough period of time).

I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.

This thread belongs in the steroid forum.

The acne could be coming from any of the different compounds. This is one of the reasons why certain things should not be stacked. There is so little research on designer steroids that it makes it difficult to predict the side effect/gains ratio.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
First off I see 2 methyl groups in there. That is bad news, as 1 methyl group will do plenty of damage to the liver on its own (if taken for a long enough period of time).

I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.

This thread belongs in the steroid forum.

The acne could be coming from any of the different compounds. This is one of the reasons why certain things should not be stacked. There is so little research on designer steroids that it makes it difficult to predict the side effect/gains ratio. [/quote]
Thank you for your post, should I continue to take this product?

Can a admin/moderator please move this thread to the steriod section? Thank you.

I’ve never heard of it before, but anything that professes to raise your hormone levels will have some effect on your body, ie. acne, hair growth etc. how prominant the effects is an individual thing, most likely due to your current horomone level, as well as just your natural sensitivity to such substances. If you insist on using this substance, try a low end dose for a while. I’ve known too many youngguys that just automatically go for the max dose, and get all sorts of nasty effects.

S

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I’ve never heard of it before, but anything that professes to raise your hormone levels will have some effect on your body, ie. acne, hair growth etc. how prominant the effects is an individual thing, most likely due to your current horomone level, as well as just your natural sensitivity to such substances. If you insist on using this substance, try a low end dose for a while. I’ve known too many youngguys that just automatically go for the max dose, and get all sorts of nasty effects.

S
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Directions state, 2 a day so I’ve been taking one in the morning and one 2 hours before the workout. This will be my 3rd day on this PH at 2 tabs a day (6 tabs so far) as of tonight.

Should I continue to follow this recommendation, I wish someone here took these before so I knew the results. My diet is clean, I’d like to think of it as a great diet. I am hoping to see some results my over all goal is to hit 190-195 lbs.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.
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Bone, you got the exactly right… that is indeed SD, Phera and Halo, which makes for a pretty harsh oral regime.

OP, if you continue with this, make sure you line up a quality PCT in addition to cycle support, or else you’ll find the zits to be the least of your probs.

[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:

I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.

Bone, you got the exactly right… that is indeed SD, Phera and Halo, which makes for a pretty harsh oral regime.

OP, if you continue with this, make sure you line up a quality PCT in addition to cycle support, or else you’ll find the zits to be the least of your probs.
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Post Cycle treatment correct? Which kinda PCT, liver support/milk thistle?

What other probs could I have, how is this supplement legal to sell if its so potent. Are these actual steriods?!

[quote]Manic9803 wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:

I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.

Bone, you got the exactly right… that is indeed SD, Phera and Halo, which makes for a pretty harsh oral regime.

OP, if you continue with this, make sure you line up a quality PCT in addition to cycle support, or else you’ll find the zits to be the least of your probs.

Post Cycle treatment correct? Which kinda PCT, liver support/milk thistle?

What other probs could I have, how is this supplement legal to sell if its so potent. Are these actual steriods?!
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YES you are taking steroids. You also have no idea what you are doing if you need to ask if liver support is good for PCT.

This stuff is going to shut down your natural test production. You will need a proper SERM-based PCT if you plan on getting your HPTA functioning properly after the cycle. Put the pills down and go do some reading in the steroid forum so you will at least understand the possible damage that can be done when using designers. At least if you do the reading you wont completely freak out when something goes wrong.

[quote]Manic9803 wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:

I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.

Bone, you got the exactly right… that is indeed SD, Phera and Halo, which makes for a pretty harsh oral regime.

OP, if you continue with this, make sure you line up a quality PCT in addition to cycle support, or else you’ll find the zits to be the least of your probs.

Post Cycle treatment correct? Which kinda PCT, liver support/milk thistle?

What other probs could I have, how is this supplement legal to sell if its so potent. Are these actual steriods?!
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Yep, you’ve got legal gear son. Methylated orals are serious business for hte liver. You should be able to find a few of the names in the link below. (I’d post up more detailed links but many of my bookmarks are for a competing forum, and I’m a newb to this site). As for PCT and cycle support, search 'em out in the Steroid section of this site. And just a hint, you’ll be better off googling “research chemicals” wrt your PCT than dealing w/ OTC products.

Well, there you have it 4 rapid fire responses that r telling you the same thing.

DJ

[quote]djreef wrote:
Manic9803 wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
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Yes they are. And by PCT they mean Arimidex, to prevent an estrogen rebound, and to help restart your junk.

DJ[/quote]

This is terrible advice. Arimidex has no place in (a non-stasis/taper based) PCT. Arimidex does not ‘restart your junk’ nor does it prevent estrogen rebound, in fact it can cause estrogen rebound if used improperly. Please show more responsibility when handing out advice on a topic like this.

[quote]Manic9803 wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:

I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.

Bone, you got the exactly right… that is indeed SD, Phera and Halo, which makes for a pretty harsh oral regime.

OP, if you continue with this, make sure you line up a quality PCT in addition to cycle support, or else you’ll find the zits to be the least of your probs.

Post Cycle treatment correct? Which kinda PCT, liver support/milk thistle?

What other probs could I have, how is this supplement legal to sell if its so potent. Are these actual steriods?!
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No offense, but it isn’t the governments job to dictate what you can put in your body (though it does a lot of that). Don’t blame someone else.

You bought the stuff without knowing what was in it. You started putting it in your body without any research. You are fully responsible for the effects on your own body.

Thank you guys, I will head to that forum and read about the PCT and precautions. I appreciate everyone’s help and comments.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Manic9803 wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:

I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.

Bone, you got the exactly right… that is indeed SD, Phera and Halo, which makes for a pretty harsh oral regime.

OP, if you continue with this, make sure you line up a quality PCT in addition to cycle support, or else you’ll find the zits to be the least of your probs.

Post Cycle treatment correct? Which kinda PCT, liver support/milk thistle?

What other probs could I have, how is this supplement legal to sell if its so potent. Are these actual steriods?!

No offense, but it isn’t the governments job to dictate what you can put in your body (though it does a lot of that). Don’t blame someone else.

You bought the stuff without knowing what was in it. You started putting it in your body without any research. You are fully responsible for the effects on your own body.[/quote]

None taken, I understand I should of researched a bit more. Haven’t people taken worse drugs/steriods before? This isn’t going to cause a deadly illness however I will need to restore my natural test levels.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Manic9803 wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:

I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.

Bone, you got the exactly right… that is indeed SD, Phera and Halo, which makes for a pretty harsh oral regime.

OP, if you continue with this, make sure you line up a quality PCT in addition to cycle support, or else you’ll find the zits to be the least of your probs.

Post Cycle treatment correct? Which kinda PCT, liver support/milk thistle?

What other probs could I have, how is this supplement legal to sell if its so potent. Are these actual steriods?!

No offense, but it isn’t the governments job to dictate what you can put in your body (though it does a lot of that). Don’t blame someone else.

You bought the stuff without knowing what was in it. You started putting it in your body without any research. You are fully responsible for the effects on your own body.[/quote]

Absolutely

It is this sort of foolishness that led steroids to be classified in the same schedule as addictive narcotics.