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Stalled on V-Diet

Well I have been following the V-Diet for 15 days and have stopped losing fat. Starting weight was 187 and I am at 180 right now. My lifts have been going up every time I hit the weights. I am sticking to this SOB diet like it’s going out of style. I figure I should do some cardio to jumpstart it again. I still have some stubborn fat that I need to lose but have just stopped losing it.

Supps:
HOT-ROX
TRIBEX
BCAA (between meals)
Surge (PWO)
Metabolic Drive (5x a day)
Fish oil
Flax oil

Stats:
30yrs old
Male
5’9"
180

I am just not sure what else to do.

You’ve only been on the diet for 15 days and have lost 7 pounds? What, has the scale not moved for three days or something?

You haven’t been on the diet long enough for it to have stalled.

Fair enough. I was just thinking about how much was water loss and how much was true fat loss. Just craving some food I guess.

Seven pounds does not sound impressive. I hope the loss picks up for you. At this point it does sound like water/glycogen depletion as the main source of the scale going down.

[quote]ocn2000 wrote:
Seven pounds does not sound impressive. I hope the loss picks up for you. At this point it does sound like water/glycogen depletion as the main source of the scale going down. [/quote]

His lifts have gone up and he’s lost 7 pounds of fat in 2 weeks…that’s not good?

[quote]Deserteaglle wrote:
ocn2000 wrote:
Seven pounds does not sound impressive. I hope the loss picks up for you. At this point it does sound like water/glycogen depletion as the main source of the scale going down.

His lifts have gone up and he’s lost 7 pounds of fat in 2 weeks…that’s not good?

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Just because you lose 7lbs doesn’t mean it was 7lbs of fat. Just because someone says their strength went up doesn’t mean it was that significant of an increase or that it can’t be chalked up to them possibly being a beginner or someone who doesn’t even train regularly and is simply learning the exercises.

When dieting (assuming low carbs), 5-10lbs of the initial loss is pure WATER weight associated with glycogen. That could more than explain his “loss” and also imply that he may still be not be eating right for his goals.

Questions that should be asked are:
is he a beginner

how long has he been training

How much muscle is he actually carrying right now because weight alone means jack

How much “strength” has been gained

[quote]Deserteaglle wrote:
ocn2000 wrote:
Seven pounds does not sound impressive. I hope the loss picks up for you. At this point it does sound like water/glycogen depletion as the main source of the scale going down.

His lifts have gone up and he’s lost 7 pounds of fat in 2 weeks…that’s not good?

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Not for something as “harsh” as the v-diet for 15 whole days. I could cut out sodas and take a good shit and lose seven pounds in a week without the sacrifice. I had read of many people dropping 20+ pounds on the v diet in 28 days. I am basing my response on the degree of weight loss other folks have reported.

[quote]ocn2000 wrote:
Not for something as “harsh” as the v-diet for 15 whole days. I could cut out sodas and take a good shit and lose seven pounds in a week without the sacrifice. I had read of many people dropping 20+ pounds on the v diet in 28 days. I am basing my response on the degree of weight loss other folks have reported.
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The general median I’ve seen is about 15 pounds, with few losing less than ten.

Maybe the OP doesn’t lose a lot of water on low carb diets. Who knows?

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
ocn2000 wrote:
Not for something as “harsh” as the v-diet for 15 whole days. I could cut out sodas and take a good shit and lose seven pounds in a week without the sacrifice. I had read of many people dropping 20+ pounds on the v diet in 28 days. I am basing my response on the degree of weight loss other folks have reported.

The general median I’ve seen is about 15 pounds, with few losing less than ten.

Maybe the OP doesn’t lose a lot of water on low carb diets. Who knows?[/quote]

Well I am not real sure why I haven’t lost much weight or fat. To respond to Prof X, I have been lifting for two years, I started with the MAX OT program and continued with some of the Waterbury programs. During these last two years I have hit plateaus and lifting maxes. Currently I am following the lifting regiment to a t. Deads, squats, weighted chins and dips etc. I was really basing my results on what other posters are losing 10-20 lbs. Granted if I lost a lot of weight fast I would assume it was a combination of fat and muscle, but I am able to add 5 lbs every week or two to most compound exercises. I am happy with that aspect. Thanks for the responses btw.

[quote]68Nova wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
ocn2000 wrote:
Not for something as “harsh” as the v-diet for 15 whole days. I could cut out sodas and take a good shit and lose seven pounds in a week without the sacrifice. I had read of many people dropping 20+ pounds on the v diet in 28 days. I am basing my response on the degree of weight loss other folks have reported.

The general median I’ve seen is about 15 pounds, with few losing less than ten.

Maybe the OP doesn’t lose a lot of water on low carb diets. Who knows?

Well I am not real sure why I haven’t lost much weight or fat. To respond to Prof X, I have been lifting for two years, I started with the MAX OT program and continued with some of the Waterbury programs. During these last two years I have hit plateaus and lifting maxes. Currently I am following the lifting regiment to a t. Deads, squats, weighted chins and dips etc. I was really basing my results on what other posters are losing 10-20 lbs. Granted if I lost a lot of weight fast I would assume it was a combination of fat and muscle, but I am able to add 5 lbs every week or two to most compound exercises. I am happy with that aspect. Thanks for the responses btw.[/quote]

Considering what I’ve seen on this site, 2 years of training still makes you a beginner. In fact, if you are still unable to create your own training program that produces results, you are still pretty much a beginner.

If some/most people are losing 10 - 20 pounds in the full 28 days, and you lost 7 in half that time, sounds like you are right on track.

You might already be lean, so the fat isnt going to shed as fast as well.

How about some numbers? Bodyweight/Height, fat percentage estimate, Squat/Dead/Bench, Age?

what does “Stalling” mean? How frequently are you measuring your weight? Sounds like too often if you have only been dieting for 15 days. Just finish out the diet and THEN weigh yourself because it doesnt sound like you are the kind of person who can handle daily weight fluctuations. (That isnt negative by any means, it just is what it is)

Good advice and I will take it to heart. Stats:

30yrs old
180 lbs
5’9"
15% or so BF

Lifts:
Deads - 280
Squats - 260
Bench Press - 250

My weight does fluctuate quite a bit during the course of the day. I have one week left of this diet and then it’s back to Waterbury. I figured this was the best way to lose the excess body fat and gain some discipline for eating. I am happy with the results.

The scale has not moved for a week and I figured it should considering the effort put fourth. The scale may not be moving but I do notice a difference in appearance. Since my lifts are not decreasing something must be working.

Also, any number of things could have happened before your weigh-in. Did you eat a carby meal the night before? Wearing the same clothes during weigh-in?

It would be frustrating to not see the scale move over the course of a week, but if you followed the diet correctly there is no reason you shouldnt have lost fat.

What Waterbury plan are you going on post diet? I think Chris actually outlined a Waterbury plan in the diet(of sorts)

If it makes you feel any better, most of my fat loss came in weeks 3 and 4. I had the same deal where the scale didn’t move in week 2 and it got me going “wtf” for a few days. A few other people mentioned the same thing happening.

Good luck, keep at it. I’m doing the velocity diet a second time right now, on day 9. Surprisingly, it’s not any easier the second time around lol.

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Also, any number of things could have happened before your weigh-in. Did you eat a carby meal the night before? Wearing the same clothes during weigh-in?

It would be frustrating to not see the scale move over the course of a week, but if you followed the diet correctly there is no reason you shouldnt have lost fat.

What Waterbury plan are you going on post diet? I think Chris actually outlined a Waterbury plan in the diet(of sorts)[/quote]

Chris put together a great plan. I am happy with the volume of the workouts, it really is just enough. If you really want to push it there definitely is room. I am going to continue with Waterbury’s Strength-Focused Mesocycle (SFM), it is the first of 5 programs outlined in his book for the "intermediate? level lifter.