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Spot Reducing Lunacy

OK, on another forum (not a fitness related forum) a discussion started about exercising and inevitably spot reducing was mentioned and refuted as not possible.

One poster replied with this: (in part)

To which someone said this:

To which he replied:

[quote]Sure, when you exercise hormones that break apart fat are released into your body. Emphasis on ‘break apart’ not ‘break down.’ Organs such as muscle now have access to them; to absorb, break down, and use as energy. So if you are doing sit ups many fat molecules will be broken apart and ready for use throughout your whole body, but naturally the fat molecules which are closed to the energy demand (that being your stomach) will be absorbed faster and burned faster.

As these molecules are being absorbed it will free up the saturated fat dissolving hormone molecules to be used to dissolve even more fat in that area. The hormones released in your arms will be saturated and only dissolve a certain amount of fat until it is burned up. At the end of a work out as energy demand goes down the hormone will be taken back up and the once-dissolved fat molecules in areas which there was no demand will reharden in a place close to where they were originally.

Note fat molecules CAN move throughout your body and be burned in other areas…but the laws of diffusion play a large roll. Blood nor anything else will not carry much fat from your arms to your stomach. One of the reasons is unless your exercising your arms your blood vessles in that area wont be dialated enough (hence the point of warm ups to reduce injury)

You can test this (if you have tuby arms per say): Do about 30 push ups every other day for about 2 weeks the fat on your arms will decrease greatly but not anywhere else. This goes against what body builders say becuase they have some theory that there is a threshold of energy deficiency your must reach before your body will start breaking fat down anywhere. But if you have just eaten a bunch of carbs your body shouldn’t be energy deficient. As a side note body builders and fitness people take lots of supplements of which they know the effect but not the How-it-works, if you research many of these supplements are designed to dialate blood capillaries to allow a constant supply of blood to the muscles even while resting.[/quote]

To which I said:

[quote]No, FACTUAL, not more of your opinion.

This post is fantasy.[/quote]

And his final reply was:

[quote]I guess if something disagrees with you it’s just opinion. But if it’s a jurnalists opinion who has a website it is fact. I thought I explained it in a very drawn-out common sense way so that no one would have to read much.

I have listed the books in order of relevance. The 1st book should be all you need; 90% of is all about metabolism. Just about everything you would want to know down the molecular level. These are your run of the mill pre med books. …And now that I have spoon fed you the sources I know you won’t bother to read even one of them because your just looking for an argument.

This will be my last post on this subject as this information is too easy to find and understand to warrant arguing over.

(note the 1st book will also talk about the different types of fat and why some are much harder to burn than others. Avoid trans fats whenever possible)

Nelson David L., Michael Cox. Lehninger Principles of Biochemistry 4th edition.
Saladin. Human Anatomy. McGraw-Hill Companies. 2005.
Gilbers Scott F… Developmental Biology 7th Edition. Sinauer. 2003.[/quote]

Any thoughts on this? He states something that flies in the face of everything I’ve ever read about exercising and then backs it up with text books?

I don’t believe his argument for a minute. I think that he has taken some factual information out of context and applied his own assumptions to them and then stated them as fact.

How am I supposed to refute this without sounding like “uh uh you’re wrong”? can someone cite some sources? I’m not about spend hours doing research at a library over this and I can’t find anything satisfying doing Google searches.

He does make some sense; in the sense that if the mechanism he speaks about actually works that way, then he’s right. I don’t know if it does, though. We should experiment, and see.

The only clear fallacy that I can see in his argument is the example he gives. If you do pushups every other day, you need to take into account the higher toning which is going to make the arm look slimmer; in order to be sure that more fat has been cut, then we should take the measurements prior to the experiment, and repeat the measurement finiding that the arms have less bodyfat percentage than the rest of the body, all other things being equal.

[quote]Imen de Naars wrote:
He does make some sense; in the sense that if the mechanism he speaks about actually works that way, then he’s right. I don’t know if it does, though. We should experiment, and see.

The only clear fallacy that I can see in his argument is the example he gives. If you do pushups every other day, you need to take into account the higher toning which is going to make the arm look slimmer; in order to be sure that more fat has been cut, then we should take the measurements prior to the experiment, and repeat the measurement finiding that the arms have less bodyfat percentage than the rest of the body, all other things being equal.[/quote]

or you could use the ever infallable “uh uh ur dumb” technique

I absolutely want a ruling on this. The author sold it so well.

You ever notice how hard your legs get when you increase running?

And, do shitloads of situps make your waist bigger?

We could have a penis waving contest all day, but it’s Sunday, and I have nothing to do but read. Thank god.

As far as I can tell he’s wrong. Otherwise I’d have one very lean arm from years of wanking.