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Speed Skater Sabotages Opponent

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--u-s--speedskater-admits-to-sabotaging-opponent-s-skate--faces-sanctions.html

Personally, I could care less about the cheating. What I want to REALLY know is why the fuck the U.S. team is coached by a South Korean? What is with all of these Olympic sports being coached by non-citizens? The women’s national soccer team was coached by some dyke from Sweden this year. What is with this?

Does anyone else see a major problem with any of this? I’m sure the Japanese or Italian national baseball teams wouldn’t want to have an American coaching their teams.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--u-s--speedskater-admits-to-sabotaging-opponent-s-skate--faces-sanctions.html

Personally, I could care less about the cheating. What I want to REALLY know is why the fuck the U.S. team is coached by a South Korean? What is with all of these Olympic sports being coached by non-citizens? The women’s national soccer team was coached by some dyke from Sweden this year. What is with this?

Does anyone else see a major problem with any of this? I’m sure the Japanese or Italian national baseball teams wouldn’t want to have an American coaching their teams.[/quote]
Football teams are coached by foreigners all the time. If you want the best coach, a “no foreigners allowed” policy won’t get you far.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Does anyone else see a major problem with any of this? I’m sure the Japanese or Italian national baseball teams wouldn’t want to have an American coaching their teams.[/quote]
fyi I’m pretty sure the coach of the Russian basketball team this year was American (in the Olympics).

Regardless, I don’t see the problem. In many sports, Americans simply don’t dominate because coaches lack the knowledge, methodology, technique, whatever it may be, that other foreign coaches have do to the sport being more popular in their country. Take Olympic weightlifting for example. The U.S. blows dick at it and finally USAW was smart enough and brought over Zygmunt Smalcerz, former head coach of the Polish weightlifting teams. That’s OK with me if it makes us better.

[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--u-s--speedskater-admits-to-sabotaging-opponent-s-skate--faces-sanctions.html

Personally, I could care less about the cheating. What I want to REALLY know is why the fuck the U.S. team is coached by a South Korean? What is with all of these Olympic sports being coached by non-citizens? The women’s national soccer team was coached by some dyke from Sweden this year. What is with this?

Does anyone else see a major problem with any of this? I’m sure the Japanese or Italian national baseball teams wouldn’t want to have an American coaching their teams.[/quote]
Football teams are coached by foreigners all the time. If you want the best coach, a “no foreigners allowed” policy won’t get you far.[/quote]
I’ll bet there’s plenty of women in the U.S. who could coach that squad to the World Cup title or a Gold Medal. As for the men, who really cares about men’s soccer?

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Does anyone else see a major problem with any of this? I’m sure the Japanese or Italian national baseball teams wouldn’t want to have an American coaching their teams.[/quote]
fyi I’m pretty sure the coach of the Russian basketball team this year was American (in the Olympics).

Regardless, I don’t see the problem. In many sports, Americans simply don’t dominate because coaches lack the knowledge, methodology, technique, whatever it may be, that other foreign coaches have do to the sport being more popular in their country. Take Olympic weightlifting for example. The U.S. blows dick at it and finally USAW was smart enough and brought over Zygmunt Smalcerz, former head coach of the Polish weightlifting teams. That’s OK with me if it makes us better.[/quote]

The problem is that the national teams are supposed to be American athletes representing America, or Brazilian athletes representing Brazil or whatever. So when a foreign coach is representing the country as well it’s just out of place. You represent your country with people who are from it and who live in it for reasons other than because it’s where they coach.

Since a coach is essentially part of the team and it’s okay to have foreigners coaching the national team, why not have foreigners PLAYING on the national team? Like the guy before you said, you won’t get very far in soccer without foreign coaching. Well, for the men, it looks like they’ll never get very far no matter who the coach is without some foreign PLAYERS. If it’s simply about winning then why not start importing non-citizens to play on the national team? Because it isn’t about simply winning; it’s about winning with your own countrymen.

National teams are supposed to be about national pride. It’s supposed to be about what each country is capable of producing on the field in a given sport. By letting coaches from other countries coach, you’re essentially saying that there isn’t anything worthy of representation from your own country and that you cannot produce good coaches, only good athletes.

Why the fuck is the U.S. Olympic team incapable of thriving with an American coach? What is stopping the U.S. national team from using good old-fashioned American know-how and ingenuity to start producing good coaches as well?

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--u-s--speedskater-admits-to-sabotaging-opponent-s-skate--faces-sanctions.html

Personally, I could care less about the cheating. What I want to REALLY know is why the fuck the U.S. team is coached by a South Korean? What is with all of these Olympic sports being coached by non-citizens? The women’s national soccer team was coached by some dyke from Sweden this year. What is with this?

Does anyone else see a major problem with any of this? I’m sure the Japanese or Italian national baseball teams wouldn’t want to have an American coaching their teams.[/quote]
Football teams are coached by foreigners all the time. If you want the best coach, a “no foreigners allowed” policy won’t get you far.[/quote]
I’ll bet there’s plenty of women in the U.S. who could coach that squad to the World Cup title or a Gold Medal. As for the men, who really cares about men’s soccer?[/quote]

How can you not care about men’s soccer, it is one of the most exciting sports on the planet!! Broaden your horizons…

This smacks of “AMERICA FFUCK YEAH!”

You are not the best in the world in all sporting fields. If anything American coaches are seen as lazy when compared to eastern european, Russian and Chinese methods.

Your disdain for football (you call soccer) is also noted but the mens game is very lucrative and is watched by pretty much the entire world, apart from you so once again its Americans being up their own epic ass cracks.

Your college programs are the elite but dont forget that there are better foreign athletes and coaches out there.

[quote]stefan128 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--u-s--speedskater-admits-to-sabotaging-opponent-s-skate--faces-sanctions.html

Personally, I could care less about the cheating. What I want to REALLY know is why the fuck the U.S. team is coached by a South Korean? What is with all of these Olympic sports being coached by non-citizens? The women’s national soccer team was coached by some dyke from Sweden this year. What is with this?

Does anyone else see a major problem with any of this? I’m sure the Japanese or Italian national baseball teams wouldn’t want to have an American coaching their teams.[/quote]
Football teams are coached by foreigners all the time. If you want the best coach, a “no foreigners allowed” policy won’t get you far.[/quote]
I’ll bet there’s plenty of women in the U.S. who could coach that squad to the World Cup title or a Gold Medal. As for the men, who really cares about men’s soccer?[/quote]

How can you not care about men’s soccer, it is one of the most exciting sports on the planet!! Broaden your horizons…[/quote]

LOL. Were you actually able to type that with a straight face?

[quote]stefan128 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--u-s--speedskater-admits-to-sabotaging-opponent-s-skate--faces-sanctions.html

Personally, I could care less about the cheating. What I want to REALLY know is why the fuck the U.S. team is coached by a South Korean? What is with all of these Olympic sports being coached by non-citizens? The women’s national soccer team was coached by some dyke from Sweden this year. What is with this?

Does anyone else see a major problem with any of this? I’m sure the Japanese or Italian national baseball teams wouldn’t want to have an American coaching their teams.[/quote]
Football teams are coached by foreigners all the time. If you want the best coach, a “no foreigners allowed” policy won’t get you far.[/quote]
I’ll bet there’s plenty of women in the U.S. who could coach that squad to the World Cup title or a Gold Medal. As for the men, who really cares about men’s soccer?[/quote]

How can you not care about men’s soccer, it is one of the most exciting sports on the planet!! Broaden your horizons…[/quote]
You know, every time I hear this from someone it’s as if you blindly assume I’ve never even seen the game before.

I fucking PLAYED it for 11 years and I’ve watched plenty of it. How pompous of a sports fan can you be when you automatically assume that just because someone doesn’t like the sport that you like they must not know anything about it at all. I have broadened my horizons and professional soccer isn’t for me. I find it boring and uninspiring.

How Americans can invent sports and claim world series with a straight face amuses me.

[quote]harrypotter wrote:
This smacks of “AMERICA FFUCK YEAH!”

You are not the best in the world in all sporting fields. If anything American coaches are seen as lazy when compared to eastern european, Russian and Chinese methods.

Your disdain for football (you call soccer) is also noted but the mens game is very lucrative and is watched by pretty much the entire world, apart from you so once again its Americans being up their own epic ass cracks.

Your college programs are the elite but dont forget that there are better foreign athletes and coaches out there.[/quote]
Now you’re just projecting.

I think this holds true for all countries. And I’ll go even further and say that I think it’s equally as backwards when an American goes and plays for some other countries national team because their grandmother was conceived there or whatever. And you see that with American athletes more than most other countries.

This isn’t about American elitism in athletics, which IS conclusively vindicated each Olympics year. It’s about representing your country, whatever country that may be.

What is with the inferiority complex all of you hardcore soccer fans seem to have? It’s like every time anyone says anything bad about the game every soccer fan on the site feels the incessant need to jump to the defense of a sport that isn’t worth defending.

American coaches are seen as lazy amongst the Chinese and Eastern Europeans? Whoop-dee-fucking-doo. The Chinese and Eastern Europeans don’t have a high opinion of something from America? Jesus Christ, I never would have assumed something like that was possible!

Give me a fucking break, man. What the Chinese and the Russians think about American coaching techniques is about as relevant as my opinion regarding soccer. If I’m supposed to lend credence to THAT argument then you may as well lend credence to the argument that Americans mostly think soccer is for metrosexuals, so it must be true. And the fact of the matter is that you just cited two regions in sporting world that are FAR more notorious for their doping history in international competition than Americans are, so I’d question their entire coaching strategies if they have to resort to cheating and still can’t coach their athletes to regular victory over ours.

[quote]harrypotter wrote:
How Americans can invent sports and claim world series with a straight face amuses me.
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Wow, that was profound. Maybe you’re the wise sage I’ve been searching for my whole life. Why do they call the foul pole the “foul” pole if it’s in fair territory?

I love how people typically respond with, “Oh, you don’t like soccer? Americans are so elitist and ignorant.” What’s more elitist and ignorant: not liking a sport or condemning an entire country as fat, lazy, ignorant, uncultured and overly-provincial just because they don’t like the same sport as you?

No wonder Europe was so fucked up for so long with attitudes like that running around over there. Doesn’t surprise me at all that all their former colonies are completely backwards, except for the U.S., which just happened to have pretty much rejected soccer as a viable sport.

[quote]harrypotter wrote:
This smacks of “AMERICA FFUCK YEAH!”

You are not the best in the world in all sporting fields. If anything American coaches are seen as lazy when compared to eastern european, Russian and Chinese methods.

Your disdain for football (you call soccer) is also noted but the mens game is very lucrative and is watched by pretty much the entire world, apart from you so once again its Americans being up their own epic ass cracks.

Your college programs are the elite but dont forget that there are better foreign athletes and coaches out there.[/quote]
And the only reason soccer is so widespread is because England has a long, horrific colonial past and soccer is the one enduring legacy from that which isn’t completely negative in connotation.

Soccer’s worldwide popularity is really just evidence of a cruel, domineering history for most European countries. It’s like saying that the blues are so great because so many people listen to them all around the world. That’s all great, but the African Diaspora, due largely to institutionalized slavery, is why it’s so popular worldwide, so let’s employ a little perspective here. The same applies to soccer.

Football isn’t popular worldwide because the U.S. does not have a colonial history that rivals Europe and thus had no chance to force that down the throats of subjugated populations all over the world like the Europeans did with soccer. Baseball is so popular worldwide as a testament to the goodwill America has spread around the globe in comparison to the colonialists of European history. Baseball has been popular in Japan since the 1890’s and it’s been spread further through goodwill tours of current and former major leaguers.

Soccer hasn’t become popular here because Americans have an innate sense of independence. We shed the colonial yoke of Europe long before any other major colony and we adjusted well to freedom, which can’t be said for literally any other major English or Spanish colonies, other than Canada. And guess what two countries don’t like soccer? America and Canada, and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:
This smacks of “AMERICA FFUCK YEAH!”

You are not the best in the world in all sporting fields. If anything American coaches are seen as lazy when compared to eastern european, Russian and Chinese methods.

Your disdain for football (you call soccer) is also noted but the mens game is very lucrative and is watched by pretty much the entire world, apart from you so once again its Americans being up their own epic ass cracks.

Your college programs are the elite but dont forget that there are better foreign athletes and coaches out there.[/quote]
And the only reason soccer is so widespread is because England has a long, horrific colonial past and soccer is the one enduring legacy from that which isn’t completely negative in connotation.

Soccer’s worldwide popularity is really just evidence of a cruel, domineering history for most European countries. It’s like saying that the blues are so great because so many people listen to them all around the world. That’s all great, but the African Diaspora, due largely to institutionalized slavery, is why it’s so popular worldwide, so let’s employ a little perspective here. The same applies to soccer.

Football isn’t popular worldwide because the U.S. does not have a colonial history that rivals Europe and thus had no chance to force that down the throats of subjugated populations all over the world like the Europeans did with soccer. Baseball is so popular worldwide as a testament to the goodwill America has spread around the globe in comparison to the colonialists of European history. Baseball has been popular in Japan since the 1890’s and it’s been spread further through goodwill tours of current and former major leaguers.

Soccer hasn’t become popular here because Americans have an innate sense of independence. We shed the colonial yoke of Europe long before any other major colony and we adjusted well to freedom, which can’t be said for literally any other major English or Spanish colonies, other than Canada. And guess what two countries don’t like soccer? America and Canada, and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
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Then how do you explain its popularity in Europe and South America? (The only continents anyone really cares about when it comes to football by the way)

And shush about their horrific past when you have a horrific present.

Edit: saw that you went on to talk about Europe, not just England.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The problem is that the national teams are supposed to be American athletes representing America, or Brazilian athletes representing Brazil or whatever. So when a foreign coach is representing the country as well it’s just out of place. You represent your country with people who are from it and who live in it for reasons other than because it’s where they coach.

Since a coach is essentially part of the team and it’s okay to have foreigners coaching the national team, why not have foreigners PLAYING on the national team? Like the guy before you said, you won’t get very far in soccer without foreign coaching. Well, for the men, it looks like they’ll never get very far no matter who the coach is without some foreign PLAYERS. If it’s simply about winning then why not start importing non-citizens to play on the national team? Because it isn’t about simply winning; it’s about winning with your own countrymen.

National teams are supposed to be about national pride. It’s supposed to be about what each country is capable of producing on the field in a given sport. By letting coaches from other countries coach, you’re essentially saying that there isn’t anything worthy of representation from your own country and that you cannot produce good coaches, only good athletes.

Why the fuck is the U.S. Olympic team incapable of thriving with an American coach? What is stopping the U.S. national team from using good old-fashioned American know-how and ingenuity to start producing good coaches as well?[/quote]

I think the first point you make, makes sense. It is odd to allow foreign coaches but not foreign players. I don’t see a good counter argument but maybe others do.

The force behind the argument is a matter of consistency. Whether foreign coaches are better or not doesn’t matter. It is a separate issue.

[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:
This smacks of “AMERICA FFUCK YEAH!”

You are not the best in the world in all sporting fields. If anything American coaches are seen as lazy when compared to eastern european, Russian and Chinese methods.

Your disdain for football (you call soccer) is also noted but the mens game is very lucrative and is watched by pretty much the entire world, apart from you so once again its Americans being up their own epic ass cracks.

Your college programs are the elite but dont forget that there are better foreign athletes and coaches out there.[/quote]
And the only reason soccer is so widespread is because England has a long, horrific colonial past and soccer is the one enduring legacy from that which isn’t completely negative in connotation.

Soccer’s worldwide popularity is really just evidence of a cruel, domineering history for most European countries. It’s like saying that the blues are so great because so many people listen to them all around the world. That’s all great, but the African Diaspora, due largely to institutionalized slavery, is why it’s so popular worldwide, so let’s employ a little perspective here. The same applies to soccer.

Football isn’t popular worldwide because the U.S. does not have a colonial history that rivals Europe and thus had no chance to force that down the throats of subjugated populations all over the world like the Europeans did with soccer. Baseball is so popular worldwide as a testament to the goodwill America has spread around the globe in comparison to the colonialists of European history. Baseball has been popular in Japan since the 1890’s and it’s been spread further through goodwill tours of current and former major leaguers.

Soccer hasn’t become popular here because Americans have an innate sense of independence. We shed the colonial yoke of Europe long before any other major colony and we adjusted well to freedom, which can’t be said for literally any other major English or Spanish colonies, other than Canada. And guess what two countries don’t like soccer? America and Canada, and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
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Then how do you explain its popularity in Europe and South America? (The only continents anyone really cares about when it comes to football by the way)

And shush about their horrific past when you have a horrific present.[/quote]
What do you mean how do you explain its popularity in Europe and South America? I just DID. It’s popular in Europe because that’s where it’s from. It was popular all over the world in some form or another and then while the British were enslaving entire swaths of both hemispheres they decided to kill two birds with one stone and force all the people they subjugated to play under one set of rules, theirs. And thus we have soccer. It’s popular in South America because Europeans colonized the area, Herodotus.

It is NOT popular in America for who knows what reason. But I think there is a strong correlation between that fact and the fact that the U.S. had the independence of thought to free itself from underneath the European jackboot and had the further wherewithal to make an unprecedented successful transition to sovereignty. In short, it shouldn’t be lost on anyone that soccer is popular in countries that have struggled with freedom or who have dark, venal colonial pasts. America doesn’t like soccer because it’s an old relic from the past that reminds of those pissant Europeans who thought they could subjugate us just like they did to everyone else for most of the 18th and 19th centuries.

As for America’s present, you suffer from a serious case of poor perspective. Whenever a disaster strikes some shithole country in the middle of the Pacific basin or wherever, what country shows up first for the rescue/reconstruction effort? What country donates more money, both privately and through its govt, to poor countries like this? What country spends more on aid to poor countries than the top five biggest soccer countries in the world? Who sent their Marines to Haiti after the earthquake there and who sent a shitload of humanitarian groups to Japan after the tsunami? The U.S. of A., that’s who. So while we’re busy wiping the ass of every other country on this globe I’d appreciate if you withheld your commentary about how we’re doing when you learn how to wipe your own ass first.