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Soy, Whey = Protein Synthesis

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/ release_html_ b1?release_ id=212773

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OMG AGREE 300% I take soy protein and my pectoralis grow tremendously! I go to beach in europe and men in pink speedos run to me and speak nicely in french. i think they admire meine mussels!

here is picture of my massive pectoral growth as a result of soy protein uptake

[quote]bitenose wrote:
OMG AGREE 300% I take soy protein and my pectoralis grow tremendously! I go to beach in europe and men in pink speedos run to me and speak nicely in french. i think they admire meine mussels!

here is picture of my massive pectoral growth as a result of soy protein uptake[/quote]

Eww…although those would be some nice miniature, perky ones on a different package. I can’t believe that guy will walk around with a shirtoff. Or that he’s not fined for walking around topless. Probably the first breasts some poor little boys get a glimpse of.

Jesus, dude, tell me that’s Photoshopped…

The link doesn’t work for me (even with directly copy/paste) but I’m familiar with the study.

The direct comparison WRT protein synthesis isn’t really accurate. It’s seems better to say, in this case, that adding protein (or possibly Calories) to the diet helped with the acquisition of mass.

[quote]David Barr wrote:
The link doesn’t work for me (even with directly copy/paste) but I’m familiar with the study.

The direct comparison WRT protein synthesis isn’t really accurate. It’s seems better to say, in this case, that adding protein (or possibly Calories) to the diet helped with the acquisition of mass.[/quote]

Would you care to elaborate on that David?

Thank you.

Interestingly, even mainstream nutrition is starting to peddle backwards on soy. The American Heart Association no longer endorses soy supplements for its cardiovascular benefits, saying in February that it has little effect on lowering LDL. And the danger of phtytoestrogens.

The National Institute of Environmental Health Services has publicized studies showing how the phytoestrogens have been shownto lead to reproductive problems and infertility in mice. And acknowledged that high soy consumption might actually increase breast cancer.

T-Nation would recommend much less, and I think it’s true for anyone wanting to maximize T production. But the new mainstream recommendations still recommend limiting intake of isoflavones to less tha 70 milligrams. A serving of soy milk can have as many as 50mg. [Though some brands only have 5 mg].

[quote]bitenose wrote:
OMG AGREE 300% I take soy protein and my pectoralis grow tremendously! I go to beach in europe and men in pink speedos run to me and speak nicely in french. i think they admire meine mussels!

here is picture of my massive pectoral growth as a result of soy protein uptake[/quote]

Wow.
You just threw me into a pre-catabolic state by ruining my appetite for the whole day with that picture.
Thanks a lot. Now I won’t eat anything for the whole day. I hope you feel good about depriving me of my food.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Interestingly, even mainstream nutrition is starting to peddle backwards on soy. The American Heart Association no longer endorses soy supplements for its cardiovascular benefits, saying in February that it has little effect on lowering LDL. And the danger of phtytoestrogens.

The National Institute of Environmental Health Services has publicized studies showing how the phytoestrogens have been shownto lead to reproductive problems and infertility in mice. And acknowledged that high soy consumption might actually increase breast cancer.

T-Nation would recommend much less, and I think it’s true for anyone wanting to maximize T production. But the new mainstream recommendations still recommend limiting intake of isoflavones to less tha 70 milligrams. A serving of soy milk can have as many as 50mg. [Though some brands only have 5 mg].[/quote]

The way you get your product endorsed by the American Hearty Assoc. is you pay the $7500 per product fee. Fruitloops is on the “heart healthy” list.

For a real eye opener, read “The Great Cholesterol Con” by Anthony Colpo

TNT

Doesn’t anybody check into sourcesor background?

Marketwire is a PR firm. They put out your news release. The professor quoted in the study, Greg Paul PhD. works for a company called Solace which makes soy products. Solace is owned by DuPont. I’m sure it was a very objective and impartial study.

Always follow the money.

TNT

[quote]TNT-CDN wrote:
Doesn’t anybody check into sourcesor background?

Marketwire is a PR firm. They put out your news release. The professor quoted in the study, Greg Paul PhD. works for a company called Solace which makes soy products. Solace is owned by DuPont. I’m sure it was a very objective and impartial study.

Always follow the money.

TNT[/quote]

Spelling error. SOLAE.

TNT

[quote]8 wrote:

Would you care to elaborate on that David?

Thank you.[/quote]

Rather than directly measuring protein synthesis, the study I’m aware of just provided supplemental protein and looked at outcome measures.

Whey protein has a specific method for optimal use, which I’ll be covering more in the future.

[quote]TNT-CDN wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Interestingly, even mainstream nutrition is starting to peddle backwards on soy. The American Heart Association no longer endorses soy supplements for its cardiovascular benefits, saying in February that it has little effect on lowering LDL. And the danger of phtytoestrogens.

The National Institute of Environmental Health Services has publicized studies showing how the phytoestrogens have been shownto lead to reproductive problems and infertility in mice. And acknowledged that high soy consumption might actually increase breast cancer.

T-Nation would recommend much less, and I think it’s true for anyone wanting to maximize T production. But the new mainstream recommendations still recommend limiting intake of isoflavones to less tha 70 milligrams. A serving of soy milk can have as many as 50mg. [Though some brands only have 5 mg].

The way you get your product endorsed by the American Hearty Assoc. is you pay the $7500 per product fee. Fruitloops is on the “heart healthy” list.

For a real eye opener, read “The Great Cholesterol Con” by Anthony Colpo

TNT

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Well, that’s nice. I guess the soy industry stopped paying then. Because they once WERE endorsed by the American Heart Association. They dropped them after a ton of studies came out discrediting any positive impact on cholesterol and cardiovascular function. You may also be confusing actual endorsement with a label on products. That’s the purview of the FDA. Many soy products still have a label stating that 25 grams of soy protein may reduce the risk of heart disease. The American Heart Association doesn’t endorse this claim. But it’s the FDA that determines whether it can remain on product labeling. They haven’t yet announced whether they’re reconsidering. I suspect the same may be true for fruit loops. Regardless, in ‘endorsing’ fruit loops, the AHA is saying the product meets it’s guidelines for saturated fat and cholesterol. Not that fruit loops actually reduce the risk of heart disease. As they once pronounced for soy. That’s not to say that the AHA is perfect either in labeling or its general guidelines. Far, far from it.