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Soy Linked to Low Sperm Count

http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20080724/hl_hsn/soylinkedtolowspermcount

Interesting read, though proponents of soy will be quick to point out the study was still inconclusive and more research is needed. Still, yet another soy related article that has given me reason to avoid soy. Also it talks about overweight/obese men having higher estrogen than lean men, which members of T-Nation should already know. Cheers.

that is an interesting little study, not surprising at all

I find it very annoying the way 90% of those mainstream protein/energy bars i.e. balance, zone, etc. are made from soy protein.

Is that why soy milk is always advertised with women as the target audience?

There was a quote by Rippetoe I stumbled across a little bit ago. I got a chuckle out of it:

"Soy milk is essentially Coffee-Mate with laced with estrogen, and is best left to vegans and other socialist vegetarian types that can’t bring themselves to eat the completely natural-for-humans flesh of our friends the Animals but who have no trouble with slaughtering trillions of our other friends the Plants and processing – in gigantic factories run by multinational corporations with shareholders that eat meat themselves – very selectively chosen components of their poor little bodies into gooey shit that humans have never had an opportunity to adapt to digesting.

Why, eating such material, with its high levels of isoflavones, touted by gynecologists as tantamount to Estrogen Replacement Therapy (ERT), will make you grow boobs, and this will screw up the clean lines of this fine young man’s Under Armor. I recommend against it."

I’m dubious towards any claims that soy reduces sperm count - most Chinese get 40-90 grams of soy on a daily average (total intake, 10-20g of soy protein) and we don’t seem to have much trouble reproducing like rabbits.

the chinese have been consuming soy foods for thousands of years

your average north american, english and european and their ancestors have not

look at the asian cultures now consuming way more dairy than in the past and see what is happening to their health as a result, were they consuming significant dairy for thousands of years ?

Is it causation or just correlation? Seriously.

[quote]etaco wrote:
Is it causation or just correlation? Seriously.[/quote]

That’s the first thing I wondered.

[quote]blue_star_cadet wrote:
I’m dubious towards any claims that soy reduces sperm count - most Chinese get 40-90 grams of soy on a daily average (total intake, 10-20g of soy protein) and we don’t seem to have much trouble reproducing like rabbits.[/quote]

Most Asians eat fuck all Soy when compared to the Western World. Soy has permeated almost every food product available.