[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Oh, right – “Just The Facts” is correct that Bush stole the election, while the Supreme Court of the U.S. was wrong in ruling that BUSH WON!
Get over it you lib![/quote]
Not liberal, just concerned.
So with the spying, the torture, the secret prisons, held without trial and the illegal war we can be confident the election of 2004 was on the up and up.
Bush’s ‘Incredible’ Vote Tallies
George W. Bush’s vote tallies, especially in the key state of Florida, are so statistically stunning that they border on the unbelievable.
While it’s extraordinary for a candidate to get a vote total that exceeds his party’s registration in any voting jurisdiction - because of non-voters - Bush racked up more votes than registered Republicans in 47 out of 67 counties in Florida. In 15 of those counties, his vote total more than doubled the number of registered Republicans and in four counties, Bush more than tripled the number.
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“Exit polls are almost never wrong,” Morris wrote. “So reliable are the surveys that actually tap voters as they leave the polling places that they are used as guides to the relative honesty of elections in Third World countries… To screw up one exit poll is unheard of. To miss six of them is incredible. It boggles the imagination how pollsters could be that incompetent and invites speculation that more than honest error was at play here.”
[quote]Actually, I support Israel without question. However, my support for Israel and love for the Jewish people doesn’t have anything to with the U.S. government not wanting an American hating dictator to have certain weapons in this hemisphere.
You are a hypocrite and you know it – if the deal went through and something bad happend becuase of it, you and your ilk would be once again bashing Bush for it.[/quote]
You “support Israel without question”…
First of all very few Americans would say that about the US… for an American to say it about Israel is just downright creepy.
But then you say if something bad happened because of it, my “ilk” would be bashing Bush – apparently you don’t get the point.
You said Sheehan was hanging with the so-called terrorists – so clearly Israel, a so-called ally which you “support without question”, wanted to sell advanced weapons to “terrorists”. The fact that we didn’t want them to was not the point – THEY still wanted to. Just like they keep selling shit to China when we say no.
If Venezuela is truly a terrorist country and a danger to the US then how can you support Israel unconditionally? Answer: Your more concerned about Israel than the US.
Unfortunately the Israel most Americans “support unconditionally” is the sanitized, fantasy, victim version described by The Weekly Standard or Michael Savage. I would hope so anyway, I’d hate to think anyone concerned about Middle Eastern terrorists attacking the US would knowingly support Israel unconditionally considering their history.
Israel’s weapons exports skyrocket, making it friends and money
AP
November 18, 2003
In June, Defense News ranked Israel 3rd in defense exports, behind only the U.S. and Russia.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/11/18/international0156EST0428.DTL
A country roughly the size of New Jersey, BTW.
U.S. Chilly to Israel After China Deals
FORWARD
January 7, 2005
Nothing was said formally, but the Americans transmitted a clear message: Don’t sell offensive weaponry to China. They forced Israel at the time to cancel, publicly and decisively, an agreement that it had signed with China for the sale of three Phalcon-class airborne warning systems.
Despite the Phalcon affair, Israel insisted on misunderstanding the message - its military industrial complex continued to sell problematic military equipment to China.
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And Israel has been putting it in the hands of a country that, since the fall of the Soviet bloc, the United States has come to see as the strategic enemy of the coming decade.
American pilots are trained today on simulators against a very particular enemy. Nobody calls the enemy China. But everyone understands that the simulators are programmed to re-create attack conditions against Chinese weaponry. Even in the biggest exercises - the Navy’s Top Gun, the Air Force’s Red Flag - the enemy, while unnamed, is always marked in yellow.
It’s hard to escape the feeling that in Israel somebody prefers to ignore the special American sensitivity to Chinese matters.
http://www.forward.com/main/article.php?id=2507
Add to the fact that they’re spying on us and their involvement in 9/11
Sept. 11 riddles remain
Times Herald
08/29/2005
In the report, the DEA concluded that the agency was being spied on by the Israelis.
In 2001, a Fox News report by Carl Cameron laid out the Israeli spy scenario, however, the story was short-lived, and Shea was told by a representative at the news organization that there was outside pressure to kill the story.
Several publications, including The Forward, Insight and the French newspaper, Le Monde, picked up the story in 2002. All indicated there was extreme reluctance by U.S. officials - and practically anyone else - to discuss the matter publicly.
http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15114089&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=33380&rfi=6
And there are more than a few people trying to understand this odd lovefest between the (right wing) Christians and Jews lately.
Rabbis express unprecedented criticism of American evangelical support for Israel
Associated Press
Monday May 10, 2004 - JERUSALEM (AP) Prominent Israeli rabbis are for the first time speaking out against Israel’s profitable alliance with evangelical Christians in the United States who have funneled tens of millions of dollars to the Jewish state.
The rabbis fear the Christians’ real intent is to convert Jews, their aides said Monday. Others are concerned about the evangelicals’ support for Israel’s extreme right-wing, opposing any compromise with the Palestinians.
The dispute touches on an increasingly sensitive issue in Israel: the country’s dependence, both economically and politically, on conservative American Christians.
Besides contributing tidy sums to projects in Israel, some evangelical Christians have lobbied in support of the Israeli government in Washington.
Troubling to Israelis is the fact that one influential group of evangelicals believes in a final, apocalyptic battle between good and evil in which Jesus returns and Jews either accept him or perish, a vision that causes obvious discomfort among Jews.
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“There’s support for some of the most extreme political positions in Israeli society,” Rosen said. "That I find far more disturbing than any suggestion that there could be missionary activity.‘’
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6177.htm
On top of everything else every cent of the billions of dollars in aid we continue to GIVE them is BORROWED money.
“I’ve never seen a President – I don’t care who he is – stand up to them… They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wouldn’t write anything down. If the American people understood what a grip these people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms.”
~ Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Vietnam War
