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So Are All Doctors This Stupid?

I had to take a random drug test for my job and was sent to their work comp doctor. After I took the test the doc and I made small talk. He noticed the stretch marks on my arms and asked if I USED to lift.(That made me laugh, can’t wait to start bulking)

As soon as I told him that I did and still do lift. He went on this tirade about how football and weight lifting are destroying people’s bodies. Telling me that low weight and high reps are the way to go if I want to be truly strong and healthy. I just gave him a wtf look and he dropped the subject pretty quickly but that’s not the reason why I’m posting this.

After he told me I pissed clean he paused for a sec, then asked me if I ever took steroids.

What The Fuck???

Seriously?..A medical professional thinks I’m juicing because I have stretch marks?

i really hope that you are a humongous person

Obviously you’re on protein which is bad for your liver which will make you die at 35, and if you squat your knees will break.
Sucks that thats the work doctor, hope you can go out of network or whatever to dodge him in the future.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
i really hope that you are a humongous person[/quote]

Not as big as I used to be but I’m no where near small.

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
i really hope that you are a humongous person[/quote]

Not as big as I used to be but I’m no where near small.[/quote]

Well, your (private) profile has you at 258 pounds and someone just asked you if you used to lift weights… and for all you know he may have wanted to warn you that the company has had people “randomly” tested for 'roids there before, and not because you have stretch marks.

But, to answer your question: yes, all doctors are that stupid. That’s exactly why medical school is so easy to get into.

I could be wrong about that, since I would guess contact football (because clearly the doc didn’t mean flag) would destroy one’s body over time.

[quote]CapnYousef wrote:
Sucks that thats the work doctor, hope you can go out of network or whatever to dodge him in the future.[/quote]

I would bet that he may do just fine should the OP go to him for an actual injury and not lifting advice.

Even though many doctors are very smart, many still seem to be stuck in the past. I mean, depending on the age of your doctor, he is a product if his medical school to a degree.
Doctors are very busy and are more likely to read medical journals in their limited free time as opposed to physical training journals.
I still wish they’d be a little more understanding though…I remember one doctor giving me a pamphlet on weight loss because his 1958 chart said I was obese being about 220lbs at the time. The pamphlet was recommending 900cals per day!

Doctors are trained to treat sick people. His ignorance of bodybuilding is typical of an average person and has nothing to do with him being a doctor.

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:

After he told me I pissed clean he paused for a sec, then asked me if I ever took steroids.

What The Fuck???

Seriously?..A medical professional thinks I’m juicing because I have stretch marks?
[/quote]

More likely, it was because of your shriveled up balls [shrugs].

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
I had to take a random drug test for my job and was sent to their work comp doctor. After I took the test the doc and I made small talk. He noticed the stretch marks on my arms and asked if I USED to lift.(That made me laugh, can’t wait to start bulking)

As soon as I told him that I did and still do lift. He went on this tirade about how football and weight lifting are destroying people’s bodies. Telling me that low weight and high reps are the way to go if I want to be truly strong and healthy. I just gave him a wtf look and he dropped the subject pretty quickly but that’s not the reason why I’m posting this.

After he told me I pissed clean he paused for a sec, then asked me if I ever took steroids.

What The Fuck???

Seriously?..A medical professional thinks I’m juicing because I have stretch marks?
[/quote]

I am really not trying to call you out because I know how you think from past responses, but you are very far from the point where you would be considering bulking…and the docs questions could all be explained by your current physical state even though we know you do lift weights regularly.

Once again, you probably need to get a hell of a lot closer to 200lbs before worrying about all out gaining right now.

I probably interact with over a hundred doctors a month, so I have a general idea of what your typical GP has learned in med school.

Family doctors are trained to diagnose and treat common ailments. This is what they do, first and foremost. They know all about common viruses, common chronic illnesses, common infections, common soft tissue injuries…and also common warning signs which say “this is outside my area of expertise, time to refer to a specialist”. All this encompasses an absolute shitload of information. You have to be a pretty bright individual to be a GP.

They also have to earn CME (Continuing Medical Education) credits. These are usually hosted by pharm companies with a specialist as the guest speaker. There is always a fairly specific topic, for example “New advances in glucose monitoring for diabetic patients”. However, the topic always relates to a product the pharmaceutical/med device industry sells. These CMEs are very seldom about “20 rep squats for balls out intensity” or “Ripped abs vs. Freaky ripped abs…crossing the threshold”.

If you do find a GP well-versed in sports nutrition and resistance training, you’re lucky. This is outside the scope of their practice (usually) and they have taken the initiative to learn about these things on their own time. Most GPs in busy clinics simply cannot be bothered. I don’t hold this against them in any way…there are doctor shortages in many areas and they have to focus on learning about the stuff they see everyday.

(People who have graduated med school in the past 15 years have been given at least a basic grounding in nutritional and exercise-related concepts. Some older doctors have told me they used to have to learn about the “food pyramid”.)

It isn’t their job to know about sports nutrition/exercise, so why would you expect them to be any more educated about it than the average American?

That would be like expecting a nuclear physicist to know all about coal mining, just because both jobs can involve energy production.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
i really hope that you are a humongous person[/quote]

Of course he is, he’s SouljaBoy

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
After he told me I pissed clean he paused for a sec, then asked me if I ever took steroids.

[/quote]

Did he notice the 23 gauge sticking out of your thigh?

…just kidding… anyway, i suppose he’s just set up to look for any signs that’s all, shrug it off.

My GP does a lot of mountain biking/adventure sports and is delighted to hear that I engage in any form of physical activity, even if it is lifting. Complained to me one time how “people just don’t take on physical challenges anymore”. Guess it just depends on your doctor, find a new one if it bothers you.

One thing I do notice is that a lot of chiropractors seem to be jacked and/or lifters, often nice to see.

Am I the only one who see’s nothing odd about this? He was there for a drug test, and the doctor asked if he had taken steroids. The majority (according to at least one documentary) of steroid users are recreational bodybuilders, and the OP made it known to the doctor he lifted. The OP fit the profile of someone who may use steroids and the question was appropriate given the nature of the visit.

Now, if you, OP, were a non weight lifter, and such was known to the doctor, who had a stretch mark at a non drug test related visit, and those stretch marks prompted him to ask if you took steroids (which, if it wasn’t clear, in your case it only prompted him to ask if you lifted. Big difference.), then yes… it was an odd question. But this wasn’t the case at all.

This thread annoys me.

[quote]power_bulker wrote:
My GP does a lot of mountain biking/adventure sports and is delighted to hear that I engage in any form of physical activity, even if it is lifting. Complained to me one time how “people just don’t take on physical challenges anymore”. Guess it just depends on your doctor, find a new one if it bothers you.

One thing I do notice is that a lot of chiropractors seem to be jacked and/or lifters, often nice to see.

[/quote]

I’ve noticed the same thing. The Dr. I see for ART is a chiropractor who playe lax at johns hopkins, guys a beast

[quote]goochadamg wrote:
Am I the only one who see’s nothing odd about this? He was there for a drug test, and the doctor asked if he had taken steroids. The majority (according to at least one documentary) of steroid users are recreational bodybuilders, and the OP made it known to the doctor he lifted. The OP fit the profile of someone who may use steroids and the question was appropriate given the nature of the visit.

Now, if you, OP, were a non weight lifter, and such was known to the doctor, who had a stretch mark at a non drug test related visit, and those stretch marks prompted him to ask if you took steroids (which, if it wasn’t clear, in your case it only prompted him to ask if you lifted. Big difference.), then yes… it was an odd question. But this wasn’t the case at all.

This thread annoys me. [/quote]

/thread

The key is in the first line…work comp doc. Most of my experience with work comp docs is that they are either A.) Semi-retired B.) Ran out of practice because they suck (poor bedside manner, lazy, ignorant, etc.) C.) Are supplementing their failing practice by work comp reviews or D.) They don’t want the responsibility of seeing patients where they are responsible for making decisions that will actually benefit/harm the patient.

PB has a pretty accurate representation of most GPs in practice though, unless they are personally interested in training, they don’t know about it.

The steroids comment was probably just a fishing expedition, it looks better for him if he can ferret out some type of drug use that didn’t come out in the actual test. After all, that’s why he’s getting paid to do random drug tests for in the first place.

I think what we have to remember that he is a doctor and his field of expertise is Internal medicine, yet he still insisted on forcefeeding his opinions on weightlifting even though he is not an expert. This drives me fucking crazy, If I dont know something about a topic I listen to the person who does. I cannot fucking stand when someone tells me to do lightweights and rep out to get cut, its idiotic and shows your ignorance. Also it shows a doctors arrogance if he feels he can be an expert with anything that has to do with the body JUST BECAUSE he is doctor. fuck him

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I think what we have to remember that he is a doctor and his field of expertise is Internal medicine, yet he still insisted on forcefeeding his opinions on weightlifting even though he is not an expert. This drives me fucking crazy, If I dont know something about a topic I listen to the person who does. I cannot fucking stand when someone tells me to do lightweights and rep out to get cut, its idiotic and shows your ignorance. Also it shows a doctors arrogance if he feels he can be an expert with anything that has to do with the body JUST BECAUSE he is doctor. fuck him[/quote]

Good point. IMO this doctor was overreaching his bounds–taking his pHD and turning it into an option card to direct on any subject he might have about weight lifters in general. When you really have no idea about a certain topic you shouldn’t offer a professional opinion on something that you don’t have any clue about.

v/r

Gremlin