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Smolov-Type Program for Deadlifts?

[quote]timmcbride00 wrote:
ontariostrongman.ca/Resources/training/coanphildead.html

This the one?[/quote]

Hows this work? Do you only do one DL workout per week? So you do total ten workouts?

[quote]Pipes06 wrote:
timmcbride00 wrote:
ontariostrongman.ca/Resources/training/coanphildead.html

This the one?

Hows this work? Do you only do one DL workout per week? So you do total ten workouts?[/quote]

Pretty much. Look at the volume tho.

The Coan cycle is to DL’s what Smolov is to squats!

Someone mentioned having done smolov for deadlifts with good results in the last smolov thread I think.

I will be doing a Smolov Jr DL program 4 weeks from now… I’ll update this thread at that time to say how it is going and then afterwards how it went.

I will be doing it the exact same as Smolov Jr for the bench press.

[quote]Hanley wrote:

Pretty much. Look at the volume tho.

The Coan cycle is to DL’s what Smolov is to squats![/quote]

Great, that sounds like exactly what I am looking for.

Thanks Hanley!

And thanks Doubleduce for the initial suggestion.

[quote]Tstud_9 wrote:
Someone mentioned having done smolov for deadlifts with good results in the last smolov thread I think.[/quote]

As someone who is going through Smolov currently for Squats, I think that is crazy. To each his own, but I personally couldn’t handle the frequency of deadlifts that I can for squats. Smolov has you squatting 3 and 4 times per week. The Coad DL program has you deadlifting 1 time per week. Much more realistic for me considering the deadlift is more taxing on the body.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I will be doing a Smolov Jr DL program 4 weeks from now… I’ll update this thread at that time to say how it is going and then afterwards how it went.

I will be doing it the exact same as Smolov Jr for the bench press.[/quote]

Good luck, I did Smolov Jr with DB Bench and it worked great. I supposed deadlifting that frequently might work if you limited it to a 3 week program like Smolov Jr. Any longer and it seems like it would just absolutely drain a person’s recovery ability.

I would definitely be interested in hearing about your results.

Thanks Bill.

I’d be interested in your results from the Feduleyev intense mesocycle in your Smolov squat program. To use Pavel T’s description, it sounds inhumane!

Sure thing, I test my squat max in a couple days, then have a 2 week switching cycle, followed by the Intense Mesocycle.

I’ll let you know.

A year ago I applied the Smolov Base cycle to front squats and increased my 1RM by around 10kg. I’ve just finished the base cycle again using deadlifts not skimping on the reps or loading, and tested my 1RM tonight.

An increase of 7.5kg! :smiley:

[quote]Mazdabation wrote:
A year ago I applied the Smolov Base cycle to front squats and increased my 1RM by around 10kg. I’ve just finished the base cycle again using deadlifts not skimping on the reps or loading, and tested my 1RM tonight.

An increase of 7.5kg! :D[/quote]

so you were deadlifting 4 times per week?
doing the 4x9, 5x7, 7x5, 10x3?

if that’s so, holy crap, props to you.

FYI
After the Base cycle, I went from 303 with a belt to 330 beltless and 340 with a belt. A 37 pound PR and hopefully the intense cycle brings it up more.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I will be doing a Smolov Jr DL program 4 weeks from now… I’ll update this thread at that time to say how it is going and then afterwards how it went.

I will be doing it the exact same as Smolov Jr for the bench press.[/quote]

Bill, you have to tell us how this is ends up. I’m doing the full Smolov for squats and it’s so far going well. I’m toying with the idea of doing what you’re thinking of. Sounds like a good time.

I definitely will: unfortunately I’m going to have a bit of a delay in starting. The previously planned start date won’t work because of having to be a groomsman at a wedding on the 28th. And therefore having to fit the tuxedo properly.

And therefore needing to drop 2" from the waist between now and then.

Not compatible with Smolov at the same time. :frowning:

So will instead have to move the start to right after that.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I’d be interested in your results from the Feduleyev intense mesocycle in your Smolov squat program. To use Pavel T’s description, it sounds inhumane![/quote]

The Intense meso yielded another 50 pound increase!
It was immensely difficult, but sickly enjoyable at the same time. My total increase was 87 pounds, from a measly 303 to a more respectable 390 at a bodyweight of 198.

Just wondering if anyone has applied the Smolove template on upper body such as the OHP before?

Is it applicable?

Well, with you guys’ help I picked Coan/Phillipi Deadlift program. I’m logging my workouts in the Coan/Phillipi thread here;

Thanks for help finding this program. I think I’m gonna love it if it doesn’t kill me.

Experiences along the way in the weeks leading up to what was going to be a Smolov Jr type deadlift program convinced me that, personally, I will need to do differently.

  1. Even though I substituted a Smith machine and close-grip on account of a chronic shoulder problem, I was able to complete only 2 weeks of Smolov Jr for the bench. I was very impressed with the results as judged from the bb’ing perspective: a very clear visual improvement.

And I really liked the program during it.

But it gave me great problems for weeks afterward, still not completely resolved, with various muscles attaching to the shoulder.

  1. I decided to try, before doing a Smolov Jr type program for the squat, something along similar lines, but easier, just to be sure, given that experience with the bench.

So I adapted the methods of Vladimir Volkov as described by Pavel T to be within the Smolov Jr template with regard to days of the week and maximum weight reached.

The Volkov approach is much easier: half the volume, and weight is ramped up each workout, rather than the work sets all being at the full work weight. ( www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/353/ )

By the way, the percent-1RM figures in the article should be interpreted as percent of equipped-1RM, though the workouts are raw. Somewhere I found a value for Volkov’s raw contest 1RM during this approximate period and thus was able to convert everything to approximate raw-1RM percentages.

When doing so, the training is at considerably higher percent 1RM than one would, at a glance, gather from the article. But that is an aside only.

Well, 2 weeks of that was more than my legs appreciated. Even now I still have some lingering issues.

And in the past I’ve never had leg problems.

How can this be? Well, Smolov’s athletes probably had better genetics, probably were and are a group pre-selected for having already survived years of harsh Russian training (what’s the surprise that if working with those that have already thrived on brutal training, they will be able to do so, versus the probability of the general population being able to do so?) and probably are younger guys as well.

At 47, I can’t necessarily expect to tolerate what might have been possible some time back.

I still think the ideas are great: the loading pattern, and the 4-days-per-week have considerable appeal. I just have to find how to adjust things to make it work for me.

Hmm isn’t doing a routine like that for squats better bang for your buck than doing it for deads? I know it is for me anyways.

Squatting brings up my deadlift like nothing else but can’t say deadlifting helps my squat much.

[quote]ev1bl wrote:
Hmm isn’t doing a routine like that for squats better bang for your buck than doing it for deads? I know it is for me anyways.

Squatting brings up my deadlift like nothing else but can’t say deadlifting helps my squat much.[/quote]

I agree, I also think it would be better bang for your buck for squat. I finished Smolov and added 36 pounds to my deadlift while not training it.

I am doing a deadlift program now because I figure that I should alternate between quad dominant and ham dominant programs.