[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
Nocotene is more addictive than heroin though, but I agree with your point he has only been smoking 2 years it should not be too hard
Huh? Where did you hear that garbage? A lot of FBI guys go to my dad’s church and a few of them were undercover for drug crimes. Two of them have done heroin when they were undercover. The way they explained it was that with heroin after your first injection you are hooked for the rest of your life. You will wake up and you will either think of it or your body will hurt for it which will make you think of it. One of them even said, “Right now as I talk to you all I want to do is go down town and get some smack.” Supposedly these guys didn’t even have addictive personalities and they’ve been clean for almost 20 years and they still get the shakes. Now that is a fucking drug.
Oh and for all of you smokers it is going to be harder to get a job for you. A lot of employers are starting to not hire smokers due to rising medical costs and it is kind of hard to cover up your scratchy voice and yellow hands.[/quote]
Cops taking heroin as part of being under cover? Any illegal activity by the police while under cover would make the operation null and void, that sounds like a big heap of shit too me, I also cannot see someone taking heroin for what at the end of the day is just a well paid job.
Nicotine, cocaine, heroin, and alcohol all meet criteria as addictive or dependence producing drugs, though none of these drugs causes addiction in all who are exposed (cf., APA, APA, WHO, Sur. Gen., FDA, NIDA, etc.). The risk of addiction following any use, the prevalence of frequent use among current users, and the occurance of APA, DSM-defined dependence among current users ranges from about 2 to 10 times greater for cigarettes than for these other drugs (Anthony et al. 1994, Exp.Clin. Psychopharm.; NIDA’s Monitoring the Future Survey, FDA in Fed Register, Aug. 11, 1995; Surg. Gen. 1988). Thus, Dole’ s comment, in which he specifically challenged the conclusion that nicotine is appropriately considered an addictive drug, is even more applicable to cocaine, heroin, and alcohol; yet it would generally be considered ludicrous to not consider these drugs appropriately categorized as addicting. In fact, Bob Dole has made many statements over the past few weeks, repeatedly challenging the general categorization of nicotine as an addictive drug, and whether there is adequate consensus among experts to warrant such categorization. He has not backed off that contention though given several opportunities. If the Director of NIDA (or even Bob Dole) used the data summarized above to imply that we wasn’t sure NIDA should take youth access to cocaine and heroin so seriously because these drugs weren’t addictive for everybody he would be out of his position very quickly.
The criteria for categorizing drugs as addictive has never required that all individuals exposed become addicted but if you were going to challenge the appropriateness of categorization of drugs as addictive or dependence producing based on the relative risk of becoming addicted, cigarettes would be the last on the list to go. Pharmacologists subscribing to the Dole system for drug classification would have to give up categories such as “psychomotor stimulants,” “CNS depressants,” “hallucinogens,” “antidepressants,” “anxiolytics,” etc., because the drugs so categorized do not always produce the effects implied by their categorization. We know that the risk of developing dependence to dependence producing drugs, in humans, as well as laboratory animals, depends on a wide range of factors including form of administration, availability and cost (Henningfield et al., 1991, Brit. J. Add.). There is presently active study of the factors that affect the risk of developing addiction to addictive drugs as well as how to best translate such findings into public policy. This is a legitimate and very important area of study for both its basic science and public health implications. But does anyone think Bob Dole understands these issues or is prepared to go to the public saying that what he said is also true, only more so, for cocaine and heroin and that perhaps we should not be as concerned about access to these drugs by youth?
Many medical studies have equated the addictive nature of nicotene to heroin, there are some reports that go as far as saying it is more addictive.