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Sleep Apnea

Pretty sure I’ve got it. Snore, wake up, sleepy, etc. Did the on-line test and have all the symptoms short of a sleep study.

I’m not fat. In fact, I’m downright stupid tall and very low body fat, as in 7%.

I am, however, on pretty much a permanent cycle of low-dose test (think really aggressive t-replacement), which I understand can cause sleep apnea.

On-line research indicates that DHEA might be useful, especially if on T, as people on T consume a fair amount of DHEA and DHEA is necessary to keep the nerves functioning.

Also, mouth guards seem an accepted solution short of the Darth Vader mask, but it’s hard to tell the crap from the legit ones.

If you want to know for cheap, get a pulse oxymeter and measure your oxygen saturation during your sleep.

Also, you do not have to be fat.

If you airways are just the tiniest bit off in the wrong way, congrats, you can have it.

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Actually I think I may have it as well and I am not overwieght or anything else, for me my bottom jaw is set a bit further back then my top as I have an over bite, I believe it may temporarily close the airways when I sleep or even just the tongue being in the way too much, Doesn’t take specific things to have but it is easy to remedy

I like never feel fully awake no matter how much sleep I get when I first wake either and sometimes can feel tired throughout the day, not too effecting but definitely kind of a nag to have

I have a mask. It isn’t the worst thing in the world once you are used to it, and I wake up feeling 90% better on nights I put it on.

[quote]doogie wrote:
I have a mask. It isn’t the worst thing in the world once you are used to it, and I wake up feeling 90% better on nights I put it on.[/quote]

How long did it take to get used to the mask?

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
Actually I think I may have it as well and I am not overwieght or anything else, for me my bottom jaw is set a bit further back then my top as I have an over bite, I believe it may temporarily close the airways when I sleep or even just the tongue being in the way too much, Doesn’t take specific things to have but it is easy to remedy

I like never feel fully awake no matter how much sleep I get when I first wake either and sometimes can feel tired throughout the day, not too effecting but definitely kind of a nag to have[/quote]

Pulse oxymeter and if you have it, have it treated.

Unless you are looking forward to the countless joys a stroke can bestow on you.

Or diabetes.

Or a heart attack.

[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:
I have a mask. It isn’t the worst thing in the world once you are used to it, and I wake up feeling 90% better on nights I put it on.[/quote]

How long did it take to get used to the mask?[/quote]

Depends on how fucked up you were before.

If you had it really, really, really bad, two seconds.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
Actually I think I may have it as well and I am not overwieght or anything else, for me my bottom jaw is set a bit further back then my top as I have an over bite, I believe it may temporarily close the airways when I sleep or even just the tongue being in the way too much, Doesn’t take specific things to have but it is easy to remedy

I like never feel fully awake no matter how much sleep I get when I first wake either and sometimes can feel tired throughout the day, not too effecting but definitely kind of a nag to have[/quote]

Pulse oxymeter and if you have it, have it treated.

Unless you are looking forward to the countless joys a stroke can bestow on you.

Or diabetes.

Or a heart attack.

[/quote]

okay maybe I should get it fixed, Getting a jaw surgery to correct my jaw, but will be good to get something done about it till then, Don’t want any of that especially at the age of 22 hahahaha

So you suggest getting a pulse oximeter to determine if it is dropping my oxygen levels and to go from there? Maybe I should see a sleep specialist hmm…

How do you know so much about it by the way?

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
Actually I think I may have it as well and I am not overwieght or anything else, for me my bottom jaw is set a bit further back then my top as I have an over bite, I believe it may temporarily close the airways when I sleep or even just the tongue being in the way too much, Doesn’t take specific things to have but it is easy to remedy

I like never feel fully awake no matter how much sleep I get when I first wake either and sometimes can feel tired throughout the day, not too effecting but definitely kind of a nag to have[/quote]

Pulse oxymeter and if you have it, have it treated.

Unless you are looking forward to the countless joys a stroke can bestow on you.

Or diabetes.

Or a heart attack.

[/quote]

okay maybe I should get it fixed, Getting a jaw surgery to correct my jaw, but will be good to get something done about it till then, Don’t want any of that especially at the age of 22 hahahaha

So you suggest getting a pulse oximeter to determine if it is dropping my oxygen levels and to go from there? Maybe I should see a sleep specialist hmm…

How do you know so much about it by the way?[/quote]

Because I had an AHI of 98.

That probably makes me the reigning champ of these here boards if not Europe.

As to the more practical issues, a jaw surgery is something that you might not need for OSAS.

A mouth piece that pulls your lower jaw forward could be all that you need and you are right, it would probably be your tongue getting in the way.

If you have a skeletal misalignment though I would look at studies concerning chances in life and facial anomalies long and hard and then I would sure as hell get it done.

If you have a skeletal structure that is class 2 or 3 and I dont remember what the overbite would be, well, you wont get laid nor get a decent job unless you are Steve Jobs.

Wow thtas crazy, any particular cause they found for something so high? Mine is not that big of a deal just a slight over bite facially and cosmetically it is hardly noticable and I look pretty good symetrically in the face I suppose, Just something I am getting done to fix my bite and the issues surronding that, Already half way through process of getting it done anyways, IDK how it effects getting a job though haha, Thanks for the tips! definitely not something I should have just ignored till I got the surgery in a few months…

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
Wow thtas crazy, any particular cause they found for something so high?[/quote]

Becauuuusssse, I am allergic as fuck to gluten containing grains and I was raised on them and they tend to swell up everything they possibly can and that leads to chronic mouth breathing as a child and that tends to fuck up your jaw and your nose which is kind of the same if you think about it and if you weigh in at about 220 lbs if you do not train at all you kind of tend to have a neck so…

…yeah, the stars did not align in my favor.

Which is good for you, because I kind of know my stuff.

[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:
I have a mask. It isn’t the worst thing in the world once you are used to it, and I wake up feeling 90% better on nights I put it on.[/quote]

How long did it take to get used to the mask?[/quote]

I’ll be honest. I’m still not “used” to it. I will fall asleep without it and when I wake myself up gasping I put in on in that half-sleep, half-wake stage. It’s hard for me to put it on and fall asleep as soon as I lay down. It’s a lot easier when I’m already dazed.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Hadn’t known about the DHEA. Thanks.[/quote]

Not sure if it is true, just that I’ve seen several articles arguing it.I went ahead and got a bottle and have taken it.

Other things I’ve seen: no sleeping pills, do not drink alcohol 3 hours prior to sleep, neither of which has been my problem.

The blood O2 idea sounds good, but is probably complicated by living at 7,000+ feet.

Love to see an article about sleep apnea, as athletes are apparently much more likely to get it that others.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Hadn’t known about the DHEA. Thanks.[/quote]

Not sure if it is true, just that I’ve seen several articles arguing it.I went ahead and got a bottle and have taken it.

Other things I’ve seen: no sleeping pills, do not drink alcohol 3 hours prior to sleep, neither of which has been my problem.

The blood O2 idea sounds good, but is probably complicated by living at 7,000+ feet.

Love to see an article about sleep apnea, as athletes are apparently much more likely to get it that others.[/quote]

The altitude should not be problem because you can establish a baseline while you are awake.

You are not looking for low oxygen saturation per se, but for regular sharp drops.

You would also look for rapid changes in your heartbeat right around the oxygen desaturation episodes.

Hint: The one above is holy shit territory, but you would look for red spikes

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:
I have a mask. It isn’t the worst thing in the world once you are used to it, and I wake up feeling 90% better on nights I put it on.[/quote]

How long did it take to get used to the mask?[/quote]

I’ll be honest. I’m still not “used” to it. I will fall asleep without it and when I wake myself up gasping I put in on in that half-sleep, half-wake stage. It’s hard for me to put it on and fall asleep as soon as I lay down. It’s a lot easier when I’m already dazed.[/quote]

I am in the process of getting an auto CPAP. I am apprehensive about the mask, but I am looking forward to hopefully feeling rested in the morning and not asphyxiating in my sleep.

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:
I have a mask. It isn’t the worst thing in the world once you are used to it, and I wake up feeling 90% better on nights I put it on.[/quote]

How long did it take to get used to the mask?[/quote]

I’ll be honest. I’m still not “used” to it. I will fall asleep without it and when I wake myself up gasping I put in on in that half-sleep, half-wake stage. It’s hard for me to put it on and fall asleep as soon as I lay down. It’s a lot easier when I’m already dazed.[/quote]

Has the weight loss helped any?

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

Has the weight loss helped any?[/quote]

Hugely. I still can’t sleep on my back, but I can sleep on my side fairly well now without the gasping.

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

Has the weight loss helped any?[/quote]

Hugely. I still can’t sleep on my back, but I can sleep on my side fairly well now without the gasping.[/quote]

Tested it?

Because if you wake up from it it probably is already very, very bad.

It could just be very bad right now.

I have had sleep apnea during bad colds with sore throats (also had it from being very dehydrated).

My girlfriend has a mask which I wore for a few nights until the sore throat went away. I couldnt fall asleep because the mask was so disruptive. I had a shot of Vodka to relax me for the first night and it worked like a charm.

I have also heard that high doses of Iron (especially before bed) can cause sleep apnea. Breakfast cereals have huge amounts so eating a bowl before bed could cause it.

Another option an Ear, Nose and Throat specialist told me (he advised ME against it) is to have a uvulectomy. It’s a fairly simple procedure but the recovery is painful.