Uh, what would offend me? Ko (boyfriend) and I are workout partners. And we wouldn’t have it any other way. He’s the only guy I’ve trained with that can keep up with me (strength/endurance) and vice versa. Perfect.
I think your wife would agree though that a physically strong woman probably gets "crap" from out of shape/average Jane/Joe more often than men. I hate stamping "gender" differences on anything - but this is a sad fact. I hear it all the time. "Women with muscles are gross" - "Why would you want to look like a man?" - "I don't want to get all 'bulky'" - that one makes me laugh and just say, "well, muscles make you sleek, like a cat - now, YOUR fat on YOUR body is 'bulky'". Then I just leave. But, ask your wife - I'm sure she hears more of this than you would.
And now, in the 21st Century, tides are slowly changing. I get more compliments now more than ever. But the naysayers - oops, the "couch-potatoes-TV-dinner-eating-jugs of pepsi-drinking-nay-sayers" are out there still. *sigh*
I would like to know where you got the information on your “valid theory”. What studies did it come from? When you say isolated incident are you trying to suggest it rarely happens among chimps or that it only happens among chimps? It actually happens quite often among chimps. The one who is smart enough to make alliances or use objects to intimidate other chimps is the alpha male. When you look at the world leaders do they make you think of your definition of the alpha male? I don’t think so, but yet they have more power than anyone in society. They are the alpha males or our society, not the big strong guys. I don’t see big strong people with as much power as world leaders.
Yes, the animal kingdom is full of skinny, weak and sick animals who are alpha males. Another thing - human race is pretty much an abomination in the book of life, so the existence of Hitler or Pol Pot does not suprise me much. If you are so narrow minded that you do not understand that money and sometimes weapons are also in the arsenal of the human alpha males, that is your problem, and I am not the one to help you. However, in some down to earth matters, we are pretty much animals and physical strength/size is one of the feats that count.
Oh, another thing… this is going to be a kind of “personal testimony”, so I am aware
of the fact it does not really count on the universal level, but nevertheless… I was in fat 270s all my life and then I dieted down to 152 lbs, losing a lot of muscle mass and
looking like shit. I have spent the past two years trying to remedy the situation, but
that is another story. I did not change my attitude, pattern of behaviour or places where I went out or anything like that, but I almost got beaten several times when I was only 150
lbs. In fact, I was attacked by people but managed to avoid fight. I did not feel good
because I knew I was weaker than them - and I am surely not a martial arts specialist.
Finally, I am back to relatively comfortable 230 lbs and I did not encounter something like
that again, neither did something like that happen when I was big and fat. I used to spend
a lot of time with my friend’s girlfriend, we used to go out a lot and she told me that she
would not like me to lose more weight because she felt so secure with me when we were walking around in the night, going to clubs etc. This is the first time I heard a woman prefering to have a big guy around - and she still asks me about my food, training and does not miss a single opportunity to tell me that I got bigger, fatter or whatever is truth at the moment. Maybe that is because her boyfriend is a jelly skinny-fat.
I was told by other two girls that they have a great fear of being raped - something I
do not really understand and I guess most men do not - and when we used to go out, they
were cool with walking along the beach at night or going to dark places because I was
there. I do not consider myself to be an alpha male for a myriad of reasons - one of them
being that to consider yourself to be an alpha male, you need to have a bit of Johnny
Bravo in you - but these few examples might clearly show the importance of size in
everyday situations. However, there is a bad side to it… clothes, the summer heat
is tough on you, bikes go much slower and you have to spend a lot of money to buy food.
So you don’t have any proof of your statement? It is just your opinion. In the wild you don’t have to be weak and skinny to be smart. I’m saying that you don’t have to be the strongest member of a group to be the alpha male. It has been proven among humans and apes, probably other animals too. Smarts goes a lot further for survival then just brawn. You helped me prove my point when you said money and weapons makes a difference. You don’t have to be the strongest to use weapons to get your point across but the one in control of those weapons could be considered the alpha male or the one who invented and used the weapons. Weapons are the big equalizer. People with lots of money can be considered alpha males too. A rich person has much more power than a poor person who is strong. Hitler’s actions do not surprise you??? So are you suggesting that jewish people are weak? How could you even suggest something like that?
How do you know that you did not change your attitude when you got bigger? What controls did you use? Is this more personal opinion? Also how do you explain when a person who is weaker but is highly skilled at fighting and beats down all the bigger stronger guys? Or how about an intelligent person who knows how to use the law to their advantage?
I think we’re spending too much time debating (hopefully) obvious points about money and technology. While guns, money, and political alliances may allow someone to be an “alpha male” in a modern sense, let’s look at it in a purely biological sense. If you were to take a woman and stick her on a desert island with Pee Wee Herman and Fabio, the odds are she’d rather mate with Fabio, even if Pee Wee had a briefcase full of money and a bunch of powerful friends back home. The alpha male is generally the male that can offer the most benefits to a female for her offspring. Thousands of years ago, strength was all that mattered. Today, money and luxury count for a lot. But the bottom line is that in general, women prefer a muscular man over a fat or weak man.
You are either pretending to be ignorant or you really are ignorant. Which is it?
I will not debate this issue further with you because it is my personal feeling
I was clear enough. This Hitler related question is simply preposterous and does
not deserve a reply. Another thing, please read my posts with more understanding in the future, I said that I did not change my attitude when I dieted down to 150s and not when I got bigger - and I almost got my ass kicked when I was scrawny. Oh, yes, read also Tyler Durden’s last post, it is pretty much a summary of what I already said.
I may not agree with all your ideas, if I drank, I’d raise my beer to you, axy. Much better to hear someone that’s straight from the heart and true, then to hear someone mealy-mouth their way to be PC. Drax, eat, get big, and then deadlift these asses car into a ditch.
'If you were to take a woman and stick her on a desert island with Pee Wee Herman and Fabio…" But, it just doesn’t happen. So the Modern Sense of the Alpha Male wins in the Modern world.
You will not debate this further because you know you are wrong. You are the one who brought up the Hitler thing not me. Strength is not the only thing that matters when it comes to being the alpha male. Why do you think humans are the most dominant animal on the planet? I really doubt it is because we are so strong. It is because of intelligence. There is so much proof that strength isn’t the main factor in determining who the alpha male is. I really doubt you had the same attitude at your different weight levels. You might perceive that you did but in reality you probably didn’t. Maybe when you were smaller you were the one who started problems with bigger people and than perceived it the opposite way. People usually alter their perceptions to make themselves look better to themselves.
Didn't any of you guys ever *watch* Pee Wee's Saturday show? Oh my god! The toys - the puppets - the characters! The Colors! You know Pee Wee would make being stranded on a island, fun and entertaining. He would make searching for food and shelter exciting and adventurous. While Fabio would more than likely just lay there on the beach, and *think* HE'S interesting.....YAWN.
And Ko ain't the BIGGEST guy in the bunch - but he's the stongest. In ATTITUDE. And yes, in ability, too. But the 'tude makes a difference. And the fact that he's also very smart - stamps him with "ALPHA" in my book.
Please, name the racist asshole who tried to put words in my mouth (the Jewish issue). Whoever that might be, he is pretty much discredited by me and will not be taken into consideration for further discussion.
One of these days I am going to manually count Ko’s name occurences on this forum in your posts in the previous two months. The results might be surprising. Another thing: Paul Rueubens, a k a “Pee Wee Herman”, was arrested July 26 1991 for jerking off at the South Trail Cinema, an XXX theatre. [Editor’s note: one wonders whether that should even be a crime at all.] Reubens paid a $50 fine and did various and sundry community services. Children’s television will never be the same. Buahahaha.
Ok guys, I don’t think anyone here is a racist. Hitler was brought up in the specific context of: “The human race is pretty much an abomination in my book”. The implication is that since the human race is so fucked up compared to the rest of nature, Hitler’s actions aren’t surprising. I don’t think anyone here has a “Hitler was right” bumper sticker on their T-ride, so let’s just ease away from this one before we all get really pissy with each other. Let’s talk about, say, the celebrity on the top of your “I’d like to nail him/her/it” list. Personally, I’m kinda partial to Christina Aguilera since she adopted that Vivid girl look.
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Like you said, Pee Wee Herman would be lots of fun to have around on deserted island. It would be very rewarding watching him play choke the bishop game. Anyway, you are talking about a certain person who may not have the size but has a moral integrity that is out of the question. You see, I want to have both.
Molsonman you have entertained me. However, strength and size can certainly make one an alpha male. First, one must define an alpha male. An alpha male is person that garners the most attention from other males and females. In a group, the alpha male stands out. Yes, you can stand out if you are small and weak. However, your resume must have some distinguishing characteristic. Wealth and political power come to mind. Now if there is a group of total strangers, I guarantee that the majority of the people will gravitate to the larger, more powerful looking male. It all goes back to biology. The alpha male was the male who could defend his turf and members of his tribe. Back in the day, the alpha male would only allow a smaller, weaker male to survive if that male had some distinguishing characteristic. Being an effective firestarter comes to mind. Do not post a reply saying that we have changed and our intelligence negates these characteristics. Before you write that, please turn on Headline news at any time, at any date, on any topic and you will see these basic biological urges being demonstrated.
If you need further proof, please go to a party with your largest, most powerful friend and see who gets the attention. If you aren’t satisfied, you and I can go for a little walk. Thank you for your attention.
Ko (boyfriend) and I are workout partners. And we wouldn’t have it any other way. He’s the only guy I’ve trained with that can keep up with me (strength/endurance) and vice versa. Perfect.