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Situation in Libya - Should Western Powers Intervene?


I'm sure everybody's been following the situation in Libya and there has been talk of some form of military intervention. Whether it's imposing a no fly zone, air strikes on key installations, to sending troops. Do you think it's a good idea or do you think this situation should play out without outside intervention.

Personally, I'm against intervention by the west. I think that if the west gets involved militarily, the entire Arab world would flip out. The US could get bogged down in another occupation. The opposition would be undermined in the public eye as a revolt caused by the US in some way. As much as I would like to see the situation there resolved quickly and with as little bloodshed as possible, involvement by western powers wouldn't help in the long term.


I hope they do and I hope as a result the US Empire comes crumbling down.

Tell all the patriotic kiddies to go visit an "Army Career Center" today.


I prefer "we" do not get involved, as I don't want to be deployed to yet another 3rd World toilet.

Iraq was enough for me.


Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

There, I said it.





I'm with you brother.


Just smack them like we did in the late 80s!

All kidding aside, are we better off with Momar (sp) in power or ousted and a huge power vacuum to fill?


As I was reading this morning, maybe arming the Libyan rebels would be a bad idea. And not sure if I'd want to see troops sent.

On Arming Those Libyan Rebels


Either way its not for the US to decide.


Who the fuck cares?

Finally the Arab people have accepted that they will either implement changes on their own or they will never happen.

Awesome, Id prefer if Big Satan stayed out of this.


Get involved? Why?


Now that was truly funny....


It's kind of funny how all the Arabs bitch about our involvement in the ME, and then all the sudden when they need a hand guess who they come to?


Unfortunately, involvement may be a foregone conclusion at this point. A perpetually destabilized Lybia is not good for our interests there. Right now they want help, and they will be loyal to who ever gives it to them. Qaddafi called out al qaeda already, they may be more than happy to help the rebels. If we stonewall it could be another cuba situation all together. So, we may not have a choice.


I think the US should stay out of this one, and I also agree with Pat, that don't ask for help then bitch when we give it.


Just like Iraq and AStan?

I agree with your post, but just not this part :slightly_smiling:



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Chushin - does this mean we're showing our age...?



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Awright, I'm going to chime in here just because this is on my mind at the moment, and I think I disagree with everyone who's posted.

Over the last couple days I've gotten off the fence: I think there should be a no-fly zone. (Sending ground troops and arming the rebels shouldn't be necessary IMO.)

This is above all because it's getting clear that if this thing is allowed to play out on its own, Gadaffi will win. On this basis, I think it's both morally imperative and a matter of our own interests that we do something.

On the moral side, we're currently standing by while a repressed people, fighting for its own freedom, is slaughtered. We had to do this in '56 and '68 becuase intervention would have started WWIII, but in this case we're hardly dealing with the Soviet Union. Remember all those decadent lefties at the beginning of the Iraq war (which I opposed) who said we should let the Iraqi people themselves take care of Saddam? The obvious rejoinder was that that would never happen. But now it IS happening - those lefties should all be supporting intervention.

As far as our interests are concerned, remember that Gadaffi supported terrorism and was actively seeking nuclear weapons. The 'deal in the desert' dealt with that, and got Western companies into Libya, but now the chorus of Western governments is delcaring Gadaffi an illegitimate ruler, and putting sanctions in place. Once he gets control of his country again, is he really going to deal with us as before? Heck, he could well go back to supporting terrorism for revenge for what we've already done.

Yes there's a good chance of mission creep, and yes, the Arabs will come up with conspiracy theories to blame us for any negative aspect of what happens, but they're going to do that whatever we do. This isn't Iraq: there's an opposition which currently holds a substantial portion of the country actively at war with the state calling us in. And yes, whatever succeeds Gadaffi might very well be as bad as him, but it can hardly be worse, and it would be favourably disposed to us.

Some food for thought...


So quit the military.