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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Mother cuts out the heart of her 4-year-old daughter whilst listening to the Koran on her MP3 player:

Oh for GOODNESS sake.

There are many criticisms you can throw at religions of all stripes, especially militant islam. Taking the case of someone who is obviously mentally ill, and trying to place this in the context of a wider trend, is in bad taste and plain wrong. Strawman 101.

Your points about the gangs and how they needed to not be treated with kid gloves is true but you’re off course here.

[quote]Bambi wrote:

Oh for GOODNESS sake.

There are many criticisms you can throw at religions of all stripes, especially militant islam.

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Not my point. I think that particular case may have been due to mental illness alone or it maybe part of ‘cultural’ practices like the ‘Christian’ voodoo groups that are murdering and torturing children:

Either way, ‘cultural’/‘religious’/‘ethnic’ - whatever you want to call it - these demographic, cultural and social changes have destroyed Western civilisation.

Case in point. Paris, 2010 ‘Living Better Techno Parade’ - named after the previous year’s parade experienced ‘youth violence:’


Where are all the feminists?

An Italian woman artist, Pippa Bacca decided to hitch-hike to Jerusalem dressed as a bride to promote world peace. She left her friend in Istanbul and her raped and strangled corpse was found in Gebze 25 miles away. No, not a joke.

This is absolutely despicable. I read something the last time this exact same situation happened, and one of the gang openly said something along the lines of “Pakisatni women are to be respected, married, etc. White women are to be abused, beaten, raped and used for our pleasure.” F*cking SCUM!

My wife’s cousin was a victim of one of these gangs a couple of years ago, gang raped on the bathroom floor by 5 guys. She was a classic target- “vulnerable,” nowhere else to go after a huge falling out with her parents, taken in by an older girl who was so understanding and friendly it seemed too good to be true… funny that.

She only got out when my wife and I saved her by pre-paying a taxi and train and getting her to our house, otherwise she had so few options she would have gone back to that house and be condemned to that for the rest of her life. I remember seeing her the next day, how she had changed, and the impact it had on my wife after staying up all night with her at the rape clinic and telling her story over and over again.

We had a bag of her semen-soaked clothes in our outhouse for ages, but they told her if she went to the police thwey’d come after her, they stole her id so knew her address and say they would burn her house down with her family still in it. The whole thing makes me absolutely sick.

Please Check My Sumo Dead & Benchuts out the heart of her 4-year-old daughter whilst listening to the Koran on her MP3 player:

You sure she wasn’t an Aztec? ! ?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Where are all the feminists?

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olee! Yoohoo! Whaddaya think? Some more government-funded ‘programs’ to fix the problem? Silence? No problem here; nothing to see; move along?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
Whats your objectiv with making this thread sexmachine?

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To highlight the epidemic of Pakistani and other ‘certain cultural group’ rape gangs in the U.K. and the rest of the Western world.

I was also wanting to draw attention to the Islamisation of Europe and the vast cultural, social and demographic changes that have destroyed Europe in a generation.

Why do you ask florelius?[/quote]

I thought you were an Aussie. Have you lived in Europe? I always hate when Europeans pretend to know about the US when they’ve never been here or have only been on a 2 week vacation or something. Is there a similar feeling in Europe about Americans? Aussies?

I’ve lived in the US and Japan and met a good number of Muslims and Pakistanis. While I’m unfamiliar with your topic, I hope you are not trying to claim Pakistani’s or Muslims are a monolithic culture or paint all Pakistani’s/Muslims with the same brush. I’m sure you are not. There may be some who mis-read you based on what you’ve posted above though.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
To highlight the epidemic of Pakistani and other ‘certain cultural group’ rape gangs in the U.K. and the rest of the Western world.

I was also wanting to draw attention to the Islamisation of Europe and the vast cultural, social and demographic changes that have destroyed Europe in a generation.

Why do you ask florelius?[/quote]

Okay, I’ll bite since I have some procrastination to do…

I grew up (and live) in a Scandinavian country, in a suburb to a major city. A large share of the population in my hometown are immigrants and Muslims. I went to school with, played sports with, partied with and now work with Muslims. Let me tell you this: they are for the most part (as in 95% of them) like everybody else in the Western world. They want a good job, a family and a nice play to live. Period.

Using an example of gang rape, by some people who happened to be Muslim, as a way to depict the cultural influences of Islam is absolutely atrocious. The equivalent would be, for me to claim that Catholics’ are inherently pedophile since their Priests are fond of small boys (an atrocious claim btw, just to be clear). Both are examples of very poor argumentation. Let’s keep that out the discussion.

Are there Muslims who work against western culture (politically)? Sure. But extremists are part of every religion across the world. There are extremist Christians, extremist Hindus and extremist Sun-Worshippers for all I know. These people should not be used to describe any religious group (as in my example above). In fact, and this might come as a surprise to most Americans, most Muslims are quite conservative and free-market oriented. They believe in hard work and family values.

Are Muslims perfect? Heck no! For me, however, the largest problem is the alarming silence of the moderate Muslims. Often extremists are left unchallenged and this leaves people with the wrong impression of what most practicing Muslims are really like. It could be argued that the silence of the moderate Muslims is simply consent, but from my experience this is simply not the case.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

I thought you were an Aussie. Have you lived in Europe?

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Yes. I have lived in the UK for a couple of years. I have family in Bristol and North London. I hear from them regularly about what’s going on there. My cousins too.

Dunno. Mostly people didn’t know I was Australian until I told them because I don’t really have an ‘Australian’ accent. I know Bristol and the West Country pretty well - London not so well. But I didn’t get a lot of time to see the place because last time I was working a full-time job and a part-time job.

The subject was Pakistani rape gangs in the UK. I don’t feel the need to add any qualifiers about good Pakistanis and bad Pakistanis. There were good Germans and bad Germans too - but it would reek of apologetics to point that out in such a context.

[quote]jonzy91 wrote:

Okay, I’ll bite since I have some procrastination to do…

I grew up (and live) in a Scandinavian country, in a suburb to a major city. A large share of the population in my hometown are immigrants and Muslims. I went to school with, played sports with, partied with and now work with Muslims. Let me tell you this: they are for the most part (as in 95% of them) like everybody else in the Western world.

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Well I can’t really take you seriously when you make a claim like that.

Not borne out by the facts.

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Using an example of gang rape, by some people who happened to be Muslim, as a way to depict the cultural influences of Islam is absolutely atrocious… [/quote]

I have nothing further to say to you. I haven’t even read the rest of your post.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

The subject was Pakistani rape gangs in the UK. I don’t feel the need to add any qualifiers about good Pakistanis and bad Pakistanis. There were good Germans and bad Germans too - but it would reek of apologetics to point that out in such a context.[/quote]

By your own claim you were broadening the context to the entire continent, all Muslims, and “the rest of the Western world.” Making jumps like that will necessitate a few more steps for a sound argument.

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To highlight the epidemic of Pakistani and other ‘certain cultural group’ rape gangs in the U.K. and the rest of the Western world.

I was also wanting to draw attention to the Islamisation of Europe and the vast cultural, social and demographic changes that have destroyed Europe in a generation. [/quote]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]jonzy91 wrote:

Okay, I’ll bite since I have some procrastination to do…

I grew up (and live) in a Scandinavian country, in a suburb to a major city. A large share of the population in my hometown are immigrants and Muslims. I went to school with, played sports with, partied with and now work with Muslims. Let me tell you this: they are for the most part (as in 95% of them) like everybody else in the Western world.

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Well I can’t really take you seriously when you make a claim like that.

Not borne out by the facts.

You should read the rest of his post, even if you don’t like it. It’s your thread and he’s one of the few to respond to you.
…My 2 cents

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
Whats your objectiv with making this thread sexmachine?

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To highlight the epidemic of Pakistani and other ‘certain cultural group’ rape gangs in the U.K. and the rest of the Western world.

I was also wanting to draw attention to the Islamisation of Europe and the vast cultural, social and demographic changes that have destroyed Europe in a generation.

Why do you ask florelius?[/quote]

I thought you were an Aussie. Have you lived in Europe? I always hate when Europeans pretend to know about the US when they’ve never been here or have only been on a 2 week vacation or something. Is there a similar feeling in Europe about Americans? Aussies?

I’ve lived in the US and Japan and met a good number of Muslims and Pakistanis. While I’m unfamiliar with your topic, I hope you are not trying to claim Pakistani’s or Muslims are a monolithic culture or paint all Pakistani’s/Muslims with the same brush. I’m sure you are not. There may be some who mis-read you based on what you’ve posted above though.
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The only thing I get annoyed is US commentators saying ‘Europe’. Europe is not one homogenous entity. The culture of the UK is far similar to the US than it is of France/Italy. Germany/Benelux are very different from the culture of France, Spain is often seen as an African-promontory by a certain cultural class, the Greeks until the early twentieth century were considered a part of Asia Minor rather than Europe! Eastern European countries are usually lumped together but Poland is hugely different from the Czechs, the Hungarians are very very different from pretty much everyone, the Baltic states are usually lumped in as well as homogenous with the other Soviet ‘satellite’ states, despite them being totally different with a long Germanic cultural influence and that’s not even mentioning the clusterfruitcake that is the Balkans. And then there’s Scandinavia, which is again totally different even country to country. So when people say of US politicians ‘he’s a European socialist’ what does that mean? The ‘scandinavian’ welfare state only exists in a few countries and the safety net is nowhere near as good as people think.There’s a huge divide even WITHIN countries, the north/south of England and England/Scotland generally and north/south Italy to mention countries in which I have lived.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]jonzy91 wrote:

Okay, I’ll bite since I have some procrastination to do…

I grew up (and live) in a Scandinavian country, in a suburb to a major city. A large share of the population in my hometown are immigrants and Muslims. I went to school with, played sports with, partied with and now work with Muslims. Let me tell you this: they are for the most part (as in 95% of them) like everybody else in the Western world.

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Well I can’t really take you seriously when you make a claim like that.

Not borne out by the facts.

Not surprised you only hear what you want to hear.

FWIW I work in a lot of deprived communities that have a large muslim population and my experience is totally identical.

One interesting thing I’d like to point out as far as the culture goes…

I’ve heard before when people, mainly westerners, get upset about seeing women in the back of mosques, there’s a really good explanation. They put the women in the back to protect them and the sanctity of the prayer because the men basically can’t be trusted not to stare at the women’s asses.

Then, last night, watching a repeat of the Saudi Arabia episode of No Reservations, they were talking about why the restaurant was divided into ‘Singles’ (or men only) and ‘Families’ (everyone else). And the girl said that it was because men can’t be trusted. Men do stupid things and it’s a way to protect women.

Now, I’m not saying all Muslim men are rapist just below the surface. I know a few and I trust them and don’t think they’d do anything bad to anyone. But I do think that it’s interesting that their home cultures don’t trust them and then when stuff like this happens, we’re told it’s racist to talk about the culture…just food for thought.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

By your own claim you were broadening the context to the entire continent, all Muslims, and “the rest of the Western world.” Making jumps like that will necessitate a few more steps for a sound argument.

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This is true. I keep thinking that other people are aware of the same things of which I am aware. When I mentioned vast demographic, cultural and social changes and when I said it’s not just Islam I was alluding to this.

[quote]Bambi wrote:

Not surprised you only hear what you want to hear.

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I don’t believe him. I don’t even believe that he believes what he is saying. People like him are complicit in the genocide - literally.

We were talking about Pakistani communities in the UK not the ‘muslim population.’ Forget about what some other poster said - why don’t you speak for yourself and tell me about your experiences with the Pakistani community?

‘Wh…wh…what’s going on?’ Really? You really don’t know what’s going on?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Bambi wrote:

Not surprised you only hear what you want to hear.

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I don’t believe him. I don’t even believe that he believes what he is saying. People like him are complicit in the genocide - literally.

We were talking about Pakistani communities in the UK not the ‘muslim population.’ Forget about what some other poster said - why don’t you speak for yourself and tell me about your experiences with the Pakistani community?[/quote]

Not a problem

I’ve worked in several volunteering centres - youth centres, run some sports teams, done some work getting Pakistani communities to swim because the percentage who can is well below the national average, helped coach one or two to get English GCSEs and basic language skills and I have seen little that is out of the ordinary. Yes you have the old ‘problem’ family who declare anything they like ‘unislamic’ but apart from the hijabs some of the girls wore (which only covers the hair not the face) I experienced little difference. I was at no point by any family apart from one criticised for being mixed race (I’m half Italian and quite dark in the summer) and not professing any religion. In fact they were closer to many deprived white working class families I encountered. They all had the same aspirations - good education, good jobs not getting into trouble. The up and coming generation are third or fourth generation immigrants and there is already from my experience a loosening of the bonds when it comes to expectations of women. Yes one or two are bundled back to Pakistan to marry a cousin which is horrific.

I actually agree with that John Cleese video but London’s always been a place apart to the UK since at least the eleventh century.