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Shugart's 'Gay Basher' Article

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What do you mean “who would choose to be gay”? The same reason people choose to be murderers, or have sex with animals or children, or walk into a store and rob it. The desire for a man by a man, as well as all those i listed, is the result of our depraved and sinful mind and desires. Im a christian but i sin.

Each of us has a sin or sins we are susceptible to. For me its lust. I have to fight my thoughts and eyes and pray about the issue. I dont give up and just have sex with women who arent my wife. The desire for the same sex is the temptation and actually having sex with him would mean you fell into that temptation and sinned, just like if i look at porn. Just because im a christian doesnt mean i stop sinning. It just offers me forgiveness and a way to fight the temptation.

Despite what others may say, God had intended marriage to be between a man and a woman only. He made Adam and eve and performed the first
Marriage ceremony.

I’ve always thought about it like this:
I’m sure some of you have a friend or friends that are attracted to someone that has characteristics that you find unattractive, for me that would be larger, eg fat, women. Nothing against them personally, I’ve met and know a few very nice women that happen to be larger, but they just don’t do it for me sexually.

Anyway, for me, I can’t understand what my friend may find attractive about them, but that’s cuz we’re attracted to different people. Nothing wrong with that, and I might not understand it, but I don’t really need to. If the two of them are happy together, then good for them.

[quote]stoicwarrior wrote:
What do you mean “who would choose to be gay”? The same reason people choose to be murderers, or have sex with animals or children, or walk into a store and rob it. The desire for a man by a man, as well as all those i listed, is the result of our depraved and sinful mind and desires. Im a christian but i sin. Each of us has a sin or sins we are susceptible to. For me its lust. I have to fight my thoughts and eyes and pray about the issue. I dont give up and just have sex with women who arent my wife. The desire for the same sex is the temptation and actually having sex with him would mean you fell into that temptation and sinned, just like if i look at porn. Just because im a christian doesnt mean i stop sinning. It just offers me forgiveness and a way to fight the temptation. Despite what others may say, God had intended marriage to be between a man and a woman only. He made Adam and eve and performed the first Marriage ceremony. [/quote]

Ok, so if you want to put it that way…

Why are some people tempted by having sex with men, and others with women, some with [insert whatever]?

Being straight isn’t (just) the absence of having had sex with men, it’s also the lack of temptation to do so.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
There’s some problems with the article, one of which is: “Most researchers, scientists, and psychiatrists agree today that sexuality isn’t a choice.”
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Did you wake up one day and decide that you really like women?

And, seriously, why the hell would anyone choose to be gay back in the time when being outed as a gay would make you a social pariah?

If nothing else, it SERIOUSLY limits your number of sexual encounters. Who’d willingly do that?

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]stoicwarrior wrote:
What do you mean “who would choose to be gay”? The same reason people choose to be murderers, or have sex with animals or children, or walk into a store and rob it. The desire for a man by a man, as well as all those i listed, is the result of our depraved and sinful mind and desires. Im a christian but i sin. Each of us has a sin or sins we are susceptible to. For me its lust. I have to fight my thoughts and eyes and pray about the issue. I dont give up and just have sex with women who arent my wife. The desire for the same sex is the temptation and actually having sex with him would mean you fell into that temptation and sinned, just like if i look at porn. Just because im a christian doesnt mean i stop sinning. It just offers me forgiveness and a way to fight the temptation. Despite what others may say, God had intended marriage to be between a man and a woman only. He made Adam and eve and performed the first Marriage ceremony. [/quote]

Ok, so if you want to put it that way…

Why are some people tempted by having sex with men, and others with women, some with [insert whatever]?

Being straight isn’t (just) the absence of having had sex with men, it’s also the lack of temptation to do so.[/quote]

Tru Dat. I couldn’t get it up for any man, no matter how hard I tried.

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So Stoic, you are ok with Incest then.
Sounds like you love your bible and are pretty hardcore about it.
So if you take it literally(?) adam and eve pretty much had to reproduce, and then fuck their own offspring to generate the civilization that we have today, correct?

Also, explain why anyone would want to chose to be gay.lesbian.transgender. ?
Trust me, i would love to have been born normal like yourself with an average IQ, love of god(?) and average life…

I actually Prefer being IQ Gifted (133), Strong, Explosive, Agile and Lean. A Seal to be sure, but also beautifully Queer. Keeps people on their toes and wondering ; )

[quote]pushharder wrote:
There’s some problems with the article, one of which is: “Most researchers, scientists, and psychiatrists agree today that sexuality isn’t a choice.”

The implication is that it’s “scientific” that’s it’s not a choice. But that’s a myth. There is no science to support a gay gene, for instance. Now maybe someday this desire, and that’s the extent of what it is now, will bear scientific fruit but we don’t know yet and so it’s now based on emotionalism and feelings – not always the wisest choice but hey, it’s popular to do it.

Then we’ve got: “If you disagree, then just ask yourself about when you weighed the options and made the choice between straight or gay” as well as other implicit accusations that if you disagree it might just be because you’re a closet homosexual yourself, an attempt to slam the door on discussion. It’s an oft repeated ruse used by the Al Gore-ians and the like involving trumpeting on and on about “settled science.” Well, it ain’t settled science. You may want it to to be but you gotta do that based on your oh so precious feelings.

Also, whether one made the choice or not to be heterosexual is not based on a valid scientific principle that leads us to the “fact” that the homosexual did not make a choice.

So go ahead and mount your board and surf the wave so many are on right now. I’m not impressed.
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Push,

While scientists have not conclusively found a gay gene, they have found that:

" a 2014 study in the journal Psychological Medicine showed that a gene on the X chromosome (one of the sex chromosomes) called Xq28 and a gene on chromosome 8 seem to be found in higher prevalence in men who are gay. That study, involving more than 400 pairs of gay brothers, followed the 1993 report by geneticist Dean Hamer suggesting the existence of a “gay gene.” Other research has found that being gay or lesbian tends to run in families. It’s also more likely for two identical twins, who share all of their genes, to both be gay than it is for two fraternal twins, who share just half of their genes, to both be homosexual. Those studies also suggest that genes seemed to have a greater influence on the sexual orientation of male versus female identical twins."

Don’t let any of that ruin your response though.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
There’s some problems with the article, one of which is: “Most researchers, scientists, and psychiatrists agree today that sexuality isn’t a choice.”

The implication is that it’s “scientific” that’s it’s not a choice. But that’s a myth. There is no science to support a gay gene, for instance. Now maybe someday this desire, and that’s the extent of what it is now, will bear scientific fruit but we don’t know yet and so it’s now based on emotionalism and feelings – not always the wisest choice but hey, it’s popular to do it.
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Not a choice, of course, can simply mean due to environmental factors beyond one’s control. I probably can’t discern all the tonal variations of mandarin, for example, but that has nothing to do with my genes, nor is it something I can change at this stage in my life. Children exposed to heavy metals in the womb tend to have lowered IQs - not genetic, but also not a choice. There’s good reason to think that being gay isn’t a choice, including the absolute failure to “cure” homosexuality by any means, as well as the failures of many people who earnestly wished to force themselves to be straight.

I say this with the caveat that we are all probably more sexually fluid, at least earlier in our lives, than we would like to admit.

But I’m not sure what is gained (in fact, not rhetorically) by arguing either way. Pedophilia is not a choice, but we of course hold people responsible for acting on those urges.

[quote]aeyogi wrote:

Who would ever choose to be gay? How does a person change their sexual preference? Just as I can’t not find fit women attractive, I can’t imagine how I would formulate a desire for men. The evidence is that sexual conversion programs are a total failure and cause great psychological harm. There may or may not be a “gay gene”, but it is established that sexual preference is an inheritance trait and not a choice.
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I don’t really have a stance as I never cared to look into this but I have a particular issue for this argument.

People make decisions others can’t really comprehend or seem irrational to the rest of us. Why on Earth would anyone decide to kill themselve? Yet large amount of people make the ultimate of poor choices. Even f you decide your life isn’t worth living, there’s the impact to others, etc. We make decisions which fly in the face of reason all the time.

We know there are plenty of instances where folks confuse someone’s beauty, of the same sex, for sexual attraction and decide to have sex with them. The environment has gone a long way to convince them of some attraction to the same sex, short lived as it might be but for some folk, perhaps that’swhat’s going on?

Hmmm, perhaps I have more questions than I thought, so linking the evidence you mentioned would be cool. Still, I dont know that thid matters, what do we do with the info - decide gays should be jailed? But this argument is not much better than religious types arguing it makes no sense that the universe would just spring out of nowhere, therefore God. I’m sure there’s better you can hang your viewpoint from.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
1400 rotations a minute![/quote]

Now that’s gay. Super duper gay.[/quote]

Ya think !?!

[quote]pushharder wrote:
That’s a nice emotional response (did you type that with a tear in your eye too?) that doesn’t qualify as scientific evidence. Does it?

Answer the question. Or surf the wave.[/quote]

I’m confused. Where did you read any sort of emotion in my post?

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
Right now I couldn’t care less about this stuff.

I’m generally a very caring, empathic type, but I am sick and tired of hearing about what I should and should not say / believe / think.

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If my aquaintances are the norm that is the consensus…

Do whatever you want but please, could you stop shoving it into our faces?

Pretty please?