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Shove Your Rights Up Your Ass

First smoking, next ephidrine, then pro-hormones, this:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/12/05/ny.trans.fat.ap/index.html

It starts in New York and will move up the coast and then out pretty soon. I wonder what else the government wants to control. Look for some jackass to justify it by reminding us that trans fat is bad for us, but so is the stress hormones generated by my anger for watching the government slowly try to assume control of my whole life.

whoa settle. its not that bad getting rid of trans fat will help alot of people.

it not about the trans fats itself anymore, its just about control.

[quote]pat36 wrote:
First smoking, next ephidrine, then pro-hormones, this:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/12/05/ny.trans.fat.ap/index.html

It starts in New York and will move up the coast and then out pretty soon. I wonder what else the government wants to control. Look for some jackass to justify it by reminding us that trans fat is bad for us, but so is the stress hormones generated by my anger for watching the government slowly try to assume control of my whole life. [/quote]

I couldn’t agree more. If I want to screw up my health (or do anything with my own person, for that matter), how is it anyone else’s business? And yes, I suppose it will benefit people, but does that justify government involvement in my personal life?

Fuck no it doesn’t it! I’m so tired of supposed do-gooders using the power of government to tell me what I can and can’t do with my own life–I don’t need any more parents…

I’m guessing that in your case that’s going to be the most convenient place for you to read them, anyway.

haha

[quote]John S. wrote:
whoa settle. its not that bad getting rid of trans fat will help alot of people.[/quote]

The worst tyrant of all is the one that thinks he is protecting you for he has no real limits and operates with a clear conscience. The greatest problem with this sort of legislation is that it breeds little men who find themselves incapable of stepping forth and performing great deeds when the species needs it.

Government is selectively breeding the rugged individualism out of us in order to make us reliant upon it, securing itself in our lives. This is much like a doctor making his patients sick so that way they will continue to need a doctor.

I am perhaps one of the strongest advocates of freedom you will meet, but the importance of liberty is NOT merely the dignity of man in protecting his natural rights; it is in the improvement and survival of man!

Freedom allows us to seperate the men from the boys. The boys will enjoy their freedom to the max being dickheads, getting high and fat off of McDonalds. These people (90%) do NOT matter beyond the natural rights and dignity they are entitled do as humans. The men (10%) will enjoy their freedom to the max as well, creating, inventing, and spreading ideas that will enlarge our world and keep the species alive.

How have we become so permissive of our slavery? In America we don’t mind our chains so long as they don’t make them too tight. WE SHOULD BE FIGHTING TO BREAK THOSE CHAINS! Trans-fat, smoking and ephedra go so far beyond merely being health issues; they are freedom issues. Who is the government to tell me what some restaurant can or cannot make my food out of? This chains me and the restaraunt owner. But this we accept, for the chains are not too tight for the boys out there.

I believe that the problem with the boys out there is that they KNOW they are boys. They KNOW they will still eat at McDonalds. Knowing this, and knowing that since they are boys they have no strength, they get the government to infringe upon the freedom of men who are doing something. And they do it with a clear conscience, for they think they are helping society.

The battle for freedom is beginning to come to a head in America and soonafter the world; we are going to face very interesting times 10-20 years from now and the men need to get their heads in some books and get their philosophical grounding figured out.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace–but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!–Patrick Henry

Bluntly said, men, get your shit together, we are going to need you soon.

mike

I agree.

If I want trans fats in my food, that’s my goddamn fault. The government has no place stepping in.

Well, can’t blame this on the Democrats…old Bloomberg is a Giuliani republican…

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I agree.

If I want trans fats in my food, that’s my goddamn fault. The government has no place stepping in.

Well, can’t blame this on the Democrats…old Bloomberg is a Giuliani republican…[/quote]

Actually, I think you can - at least to the extent that Democrat = “progressive.”

If it weren’t for the fact the government is (and increasingly will be) picking up the tab for a lot of people’s medical care, this kind of stuff wouldn’t be tolerated. It’s justified in the minds of a lot of people based on the fact of who will pick up the tab - the government pays, so the government can take these actions to reduce its costs. Helmet laws, anyone?

Part of me abhors this but the other part feels that society deserves it at this point. The masses like to restrict the freedoms of groups to which they don’t belong regardless of whether it is necessary or right. Food laws like these will at least make the restriction of freedom sting a little for all the fat assed average Joes who lack the principles to stand up for the rights of others.

In a perfect world people would be protected through mandatory disclosure and personal responsibility rather than outright restrictions. Since this world is anything but perfect, all I have to say is- Suck on it America, you deserve it.

Ahh, I would give anything for a good ratburger. Damn those health inspectors.

[quote]karva wrote:
Ahh, I would give anything for a good ratburger. Damn those health inspectors.[/quote]

You can get them at KFC under the name “Chicken Sandwich.”

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
I agree.

If I want trans fats in my food, that’s my goddamn fault. The government has no place stepping in.

Well, can’t blame this on the Democrats…old Bloomberg is a Giuliani republican…

Actually, I think you can - at least to the extent that Democrat = “progressive.”

If it weren’t for the fact the government is (and increasingly will be) picking up the tab for a lot of people’s medical care, this kind of stuff wouldn’t be tolerated. It’s justified in the minds of a lot of people based on the fact of who will pick up the tab - the government pays, so the government can take these actions to reduce its costs. Helmet laws, anyone?[/quote]

Absolutely. Helmet and seatbelt laws are nothing more than CYA type policies for insurance companies, and oh yea, rvenue rakes for governments.

This, is not a good trend IMHO. I mean, where does the “it’s in your best interest” argument stop? I for one do not want the government to be my nanny.

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
John S. wrote:

The worst tyrant of all is the one that thinks he is protecting you for he has no real limits and operates with a clear conscience. [/quote]

This is the best quote I have heard in a looong time. You, Sir, are a poet. If you don’t mind, I am going to use this quote often. That sums up my feelings about much of the social legislation coming out these days, or actually for the last 35-40 years. I don’t need the government’s help, I can do it on my own.

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
John S. wrote:
whoa settle. its not that bad getting rid of trans fat will help alot of people.

The worst tyrant of all is the one that thinks he is protecting you for he has no real limits and operates with a clear conscience. The greatest problem with this sort of legislation is that it breeds little men who find themselves incapable of stepping forth and performing great deeds when the species needs it.

Government is selectively breeding the rugged individualism out of us in order to make us reliant upon it, securing itself in our lives. This is much like a doctor making his patients sick so that way they will continue to need a doctor.

[/quote]

That’s why the welfare state was created. Do you think all of this was done to help the poor, the disenfranchised, the disabled or elderly? Ha!

“The government that governs least governs best.”
— Thomas Jefferson

I agree with pat, we should have the right to destroy our health if we want to as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. Removing all these things because they are bad for you is just the government treating us like children. Granted, many adults act like children, but to me this just plays into the big government taking care of your every need that the Dem’s sell. Government’s job is NOT to protect us from ourselves, look it up, that function is NOT in the constitution. Nor is income redistribution. We are slowly becoming mind numb, dumb, irresponsible subjects in a socialist society.

[quote]karva wrote:
Ahh, I would give anything for a good ratburger. Damn those health inspectors.[/quote]

Nice Demolition Man reference. I am impressed.

mike

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I agree.

If I want trans fats in my food, that’s my goddamn fault. The government has no place stepping in.

Well, can’t blame this on the Democrats…old Bloomberg is a Giuliani republican…[/quote]

I’d be very hard pressed to call Bloomberg a real republican. He is one of the greatest enemies of the NRA.

mike

[quote]pat36 wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
John S. wrote:

The worst tyrant of all is the one that thinks he is protecting you for he has no real limits and operates with a clear conscience.

This is the best quote I have heard in a looong time. You, Sir, are a poet. If you don’t mind, I am going to use this quote often. That sums up my feelings about much of the social legislation coming out these days, or actually for the last 35-40 years. I don’t need the government’s help, I can do it on my own.
[/quote]

No joke. You guys can flame away, but the reality is that the guy that REALLY set us down the socialist path was FDR. The man was a VERY bad thing for America.

mike

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
I agree with pat, we should have the right to destroy our health if we want to as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. Removing all these things because they are bad for you is just the government treating us like children. Granted, many adults act like children, but to me this just plays into the big government taking care of your every need that the Dem’s sell. Government’s job is NOT to protect us from ourselves, look it up, that function is NOT in the constitution. Nor is income redistribution. We are slowly becoming mind numb, dumb, irresponsible subjects in a socialist society.
[/quote]

If you really think that Republicans are preserving liberty then you are going to have a serious wake up call soon. They are just the flip side to the coin of tyranny. The fact that we as Americans split ourselves upon such ridiculous party lines makes a populace more easy to conquer. Untied we stand, divided we fall, right?

mike

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
John S. wrote:

The worst tyrant of all is the one that thinks he is protecting you for he has no real limits and operates with a clear conscience.

This is the best quote I have heard in a looong time. You, Sir, are a poet. If you don’t mind, I am going to use this quote often. That sums up my feelings about much of the social legislation coming out these days, or actually for the last 35-40 years. I don’t need the government’s help, I can do it on my own.

No joke. You guys can flame away, but the reality is that the guy that REALLY set us down the socialist path was FDR. The man was a VERY bad thing for America.

mike[/quote]

Amen, yet he gets credit for being great though none of his plans worked in terms of moving the U.S. out of the Great Deppression. Yet, I guess look at the souce of the compliments. Between FDR and Harry Anslinger the stage was set for the government to assume control of our lives.