Ya i believe that pretty much sums up my problem. My bench has exceded my shoulders. even though i havent been using anything but dumbells for about the last month, i had managed to go up 5 to 10 pounds each week for the same reps until this happened. I realize now that i neglected my shoulders severly and I am going to try to start rehabing them. I understand what you meant about using a weight to control the pain because mine doesnt even bother me until I get to a certain weight. Thanks everyone for your advice and I'll keep you all posted.