@56x11: Whats up dude! Thanks for jumping in to help me out. Take it easy on BHOLL. This is a forum and not a doctor’s office. Of course everything on here is just opinion. Everybody posting on here should know that. I am just looking for other peoples opinion. I think that the advice BHOLL gives out is helpful to a lot of people.
Yes, most people do realize that this is an internet forum and to take any information presented with a grain of salt. And you sound like you have a good grasp of that concept.
However, human nature is a funny thing. You take someone who is:
desperate for help
is of the mindset that he will ONLY LISTEN TO ADVICE THAT MEET HIS PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS ON PROPER TREATMENT
Now you take this person (and believe me, you’ll see your fair share in this subforum and similar subforums), and spoon feed him WRONG INFO that he just happens to WANT to hear and that is a recipe for disaster.
You were lucky in that you listened to your wife and got the MRI. Others, who come here desperate for some guidance will, quite often, blindly follow the smoothest talker.
And if life teaches us anything, talking a good game is no guarantee that it’s backed up with that rare combination of KNOWLEDGE EXPERIENCE AND a GENUINE DESIRE to see the other person improve.
The reason I vehemently questioned the other poster is because I’ve seen a history of him giving text book answers to a given issue. Yet I’ve not ONCE read a post which shows all three of the aforementioned qualities.
Look at this thread:
The OP requested help for his shoulder. The initial response was fairly standard. When the OP requested specific exercises, here was the exchange:
Could you suggest some eccentric exercises I could try?
eccentric dumbbell curl
eccentric shoulder flexion
External rotation at 0
Internal rotation at 0[/quote]
Just basic exercises taken out of any PT text book. But notice the LACK of detail in how this PARTICULAR OP should do these movements. No examples of regression or progression in the movement. And no alternative movements should the OP find the above ineffective.
And if you happen to read trivium’s recent thread, you’d see how this same person kept arguing against MRI or any imaging. It got to the point he would do his impotent best to belittle anyone who argued for the need for imaging.
But look at this little gem in yet another thread regarding MRI for another OP xianchixan:
From a post dated 12/12/13
If your 23 and having “chronic pain” there is something someone is missing, get the MRI and get someone of quality to read it. [/quote]
From a post dated 1/20/2014
Next step MRI results, try grastoning the area[/quote]
So how is it that MRI is acceptable for this OP and yet he is so adamant that it’s a waste for the trivium?
He or anyone else can argue that they are two different cases. I don’t buy it. If you read trivium’s thread in this subforum, this same person is so anti-imaging that it simply contradicts his prior statements on the subject.
Moreover, trivium, in order to get back to heavy lifting (his passion) as expeditiously as possible, should IMO and IME leave no stone unturned. So after the manual testing, all he has to do is respectfully ask the doc for further testing to confirm or disprove what the manual tests showed.
xianchixan, who was given the advice to try MRI and graston, has been through a laundry list of protocols.
Well, doesn’t that give some credence to the argument that trivium, in order to dramatically reduce his chances of ending up like xianchixan, get the imaging done from the get go?
If you have first hand knowledge working with people AFTER they burn up all their PT visits; and if you read enough of this person’s posts it’s impossible to not see a discrepancy. There is this need that he has to come across as the all-knowing authority in this subforum. This and his overall hubris has grown to a point where I had to call it.
No self-respecting professional physical therapist that I know engages in the type of behavior that was recently on display.
Now to answer your particular question:
So you would just suggest basically maintenance training at moderate weights for the exercizes that don’t make my shoulder sore and lay off - really light weight for things like pressing exercises after soreness has gone from my shoulder is that correct? Honestly I am just trying to get opinions about how to work around the injury.[/quote]
I recommend that you put the shoulder rehab as a priority. The sooner you can resolve this issue, the sooner you can resume a more comprehensive strength and conditioning program. Despite the language barrier you may have to deal with where you are, it may not be a bad idea to work with a local PT. Surely, with enough effort, you should find one that can speak English and is good at his job.
As for training around the injury, there are always going to be two opposing arguments.
One side will advocate going full throttle on exercises that are not contraindicated. This camp’s reasoning is that you only live once/life is short/nothing ventured, nothing gained; therefore, if a movement is not going to interfere with the shoulder rehab, why not lift like you got a giant pair…?
I prefer a more conservative approach. First of all, hard training has the potential to take away from your body’s recuperative abilities. Remember - the main goal for you right now is to get that shoulder (relatively) healthy. So, if your body has to deal with recovering from the shoulder rehab, heavy/intense training for the other body parts, and being in a foreign land (the stress level of this, obviously, will vary from person to person), just how much margin do you give yourself…? Not much.
Furthermore, just what if Murphy’s Law kicks you in the teeth and aggressive training the non-injured body parts, you suffer another injury somewhere else? Don’t fall for the delusion that things like this only happen to other people.
So, ultimately, the decision is yours. Now you have my thoughts on the matter.
Good luck and learn the art of listening to your body.