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Should We Join the EU?

What do you guys think?

http://thehill.com/dick-morris/bushs-legacy-european-socialism-2008-11-18.html

"The results of the G-20 economic summit amount to nothing less than the seamless integration of the United States into the European economy. In one month of legislation and one diplomatic meeting, the United States has unilaterally abdicated all the gains for the concept of free markets won by the Reagan administration and surrendered, in toto, to the Western European model of socialism, stagnation and excessive government regulation. Sovereignty is out the window. Without a vote, we are suddenly members of the European Union. Given the dismal record of those nations at creating jobs and sustaining growth, merger with the Europeans is like a partnership with death.

What?s more, Bush appears to have gone down without a fight, saving his debating time for arguing against the protectionism that France?s Nicolas Sarkozy was pushing. By giving Bush a seeming victory on a moratorium against protectionism for one year, Sarkozy was able to slip over his massive scheme for taking over the supervision of the U.S. economy.

All kinds of political agendas are advancing under the cover of response to the global financial crisis. Where Franklin Roosevelt saved capitalism by regulating it, Bush, to say nothing of Obama, has given the government control over our major financial and insurance institutions. And it isn?t even our government! The power has now been transferred to the international community, led by the socialists in the European Union."

Forget the EU, and even one world government. Let’s just cut to the chase and have one universal government in every corner of the universe already.

Yippee, I will soon be swimming in your pool.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Forget the EU, and even one world government. Let’s just cut to the chase and have one universal government in every corner of the universe already.[/quote]

joking right,

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Forget the EU, and even one world government. Let’s just cut to the chase and have one universal government in every corner of the universe already.

joking right,

[/quote]

Considering his stance as an anarchist, I’d say probably so.

The EU is an undemocratic nitemare that has siezed much more power than it ever was supposed to have. Americans should be very wary of any involvement with the EU because their way of doing business is reprehensible.

Seeing as how we’re in different hemispheres, I don’t see why we would logically join the EU, unless we renamed in the AEU.

We should join up with Mexico.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The EU is an undemocratic nitemare that has siezed much more power than it ever was supposed to have. Americans should be very wary of any involvement with the EU because their way of doing business is reprehensible.[/quote]

Care to elaborate?

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Forget the EU, and even one world government. Let’s just cut to the chase and have one universal government in every corner of the universe already.

joking right,

Considering his stance as an anarchist, I’d say probably so.[/quote]

Actually, I really do eventually want there to be only one World Government because then it is only one step further to the ideal I prefer…

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
We should join up with Mexico.[/quote]

Yea, that would be productive. -sarcasm-

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

You will be told what to think in due time.

TQB

Your imperial overlord

…not a good idea. Whish y’all would just mind your own business for a change!

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If we hand over our economic policies to European supervision, which the article says we are doing, the goal is to have a coordinated policy and not a conflicting one.

I think its unworkable because politicians subject to elections have to keep the locals happy. For ex, having no protectionism might make exporters happy but workers in the importing contry will be unhappy competing with cheaper imports.

[quote]RebornTN wrote:
Sloth wrote:
We should join up with Mexico.

Yea, that would be productive. -sarcasm-[/quote]

Might as well. It’s not like we give two craps about our borders or the law anyways.

[quote]winkel wrote:
Sifu wrote:
The EU is an undemocratic nitemare that has siezed much more power than it ever was supposed to have. Americans should be very wary of any involvement with the EU because their way of doing business is reprehensible.

Care to elaborate?
[/quote]

The EU is run by socialists who have been grabbing power and repeatedly breaking their word with the people. When Britain joined back in the 1970’s it was called the “common market” and the British people were told that common market where there were no tariffs on trade between member states was all it would ever be.

The reason why they told the British it would only be a trade organisation is because the British people did not want to surrender their sovereignty to become part of a federal European state, which is exactly what the common market began turning into when it became the European Union. They lied to the British to get them into the EU and now they are in they cannot get out.

At the last parliamentary election the Labour party under Tony Blair promised a refferendum on the EU constitution. Refferendums in France and Denmark rejected the EU constitution so the EU renamed the EU constitution the EU treaty and said that since the French and Danish could not be trusted to give the correct vote in a refferendum they don’t get vote on it again and the governments approved it.

Then Gordon Brown who never stood for election as prime minister delcared that since the EU constitution had been renamed the EU treaty the labour party promise of a constitutional refferendum was nul and void and he sneeked over to Lisbon and signed Britain on to it.

Then the Irish whose constitution required a refferendum rejected the EU treaty, which means it can’t be adopted because all states have to ratify the treaty. Now that the Irish have not given the politically correct vote the EU is forcing to have another referrendum because they want the Irish to give the correct vote.

Otherwise the EU is going to backdoor the constitution into law by slipping it into law the next time they add another state.

There is a lot more but that should suffice for now.

What makes you think the EU would want you!

[quote]Sifu wrote:
winkel wrote:
Sifu wrote:
The EU is an undemocratic nitemare that has siezed much more power than it ever was supposed to have. Americans should be very wary of any involvement with the EU because their way of doing business is reprehensible.

Care to elaborate?

The EU is run by socialists who have been grabbing power and repeatedly breaking their word with the people. When Britain joined back in the 1970’s it was called the “common market” and the British people were told that common market where there were no tariffs on trade between member states was all it would ever be. [/quote]

Most of the 27 EU governments are run by conservatives. The only two big countries run by leftist governments are Spain and the UK.

I don’t know who “they” are, but the British applied three times (twice under Conservatives ,once under Labour) before they were let in, So I don’t think anyone would bother with a conspiracy

Again who are “the EU”? Not the European Commission in Brussels who is only marginally involved in treaty negotiation, nor the democratically elected European Parliament in Strasbourg. Such a decision can only be taken by the Member State itself. So however you define the EU, you’re wrong.

And that is the EU’s responsibility how?

Again, that is an Irish decision to take. Most Member States are continuing the ratification process. Sweden did so yesterday.

Here is that “the EU” again.

Yep. I get it. You don’t like the EU. That is your right.