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Shooting In South Carolina


#1

Another shooting tragedy has struck America. It is certainly a horrible and despicable act. But, what is one of the first things Obama talks about, more stringent gun laws.

As if the perpetrator could not have run the group of people over with his car in a parking lot? People can kill a number of ways. Violence begins in the mind and cannot be prevented by removing one weapon.

Leftists don't get it and I doubt they ever will.


#2

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Leftists don’t get it and I doubt they ever will.

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They get it alright…

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.” - Rahm Emanuel


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#5

[quote]pushharder wrote:
And here we go again with the “hate crime” thing again. Who cares if the murderer hated the victims more than other murderers? Cold-blooded murder is still murder and the murderer needs to pay the ultimate price regardless of his degree of hate.[/quote]

“yeah but racism slavery yada yada liberal rhetoric…”


#6

[quote]pushharder wrote:
And here we go again with the “hate crime” thing again. Who cares if the murderer hated the victims more than other murderers? Cold-blooded murder is still murder and the murderer needs to pay the ultimate price regardless of his degree of hate.[/quote]

The purpose of hate crime laws is to increase racial tensions.
It allows the federal government to take a political role in investigation in order to discredit the legitimacy of local investigators and to prolong the period after acquittal in which the case is in the public media.

The reality is that inter-racial violence is relatively rare and is proportionately more common for black on white crime.


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#8

If Thunderbolt is still reading this board, I bet that he’s catching a whiff of something nasty in this thread.


#9

[quote]NickViar wrote:
If Thunderbolt is still reading this board, I bet that he’s catching a whiff of something nasty in this thread. [/quote]


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#11

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:
If Thunderbolt is still reading this board, I bet that he’s catching a whiff of something nasty in this thread. [/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well[/quote]

I don’t follow…


#12

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Like usual, “gun-free zones” are part of the problem.

Stupid South Carolina not allowing folks to be armed in churches.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/18/charleston-church-massacre-happened-in-gun-free-zone/[/quote]

Yes and No. There’s nothing wrong with a private establishment choosing to ban firearms.
The problem is the moral hazard of the state or federal government laws eliminating the choice of the particular church(or any institution) to allow guns.

When you remove the moral hazard, individuals tend to make the rational choice that best fits their needs and the needs of their customers/patrons.

When a person is willing to commit premeditated murder(especially if they don’t plan on murder/suicide), they are unlikely to target any establishment where there isn’t a certainty that they will be unopposed.

This is also why there is so little non premeditated murder with firearms as apposed to other types of murder.

People choose guns as a the dominant method of premeditated murder because gun-free zones exist.


#13

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:
If Thunderbolt is still reading this board, I bet that he’s catching a whiff of something nasty in this thread. [/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well[/quote]

I don’t follow…[/quote]

Yes exactly. It Doesn’t follow.


#14

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:
If Thunderbolt is still reading this board, I bet that he’s catching a whiff of something nasty in this thread. [/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well[/quote]

I don’t follow…[/quote]

Yes exactly. It Doesn’t follow.[/quote]

Anytime I read a good post, like yours, not blaming racism for everything, I think of Thunderbolt and his accusations.


#15

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:
If Thunderbolt is still reading this board, I bet that he’s catching a whiff of something nasty in this thread. [/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well[/quote]

I don’t follow…[/quote]

Yes exactly. It Doesn’t follow.[/quote]

Anytime I read a good post, like yours, not blaming racism for everything, I think of Thunderbolt and his accusations.
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Ah gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. :slight_smile:


#16

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:
If Thunderbolt is still reading this board, I bet that he’s catching a whiff of something nasty in this thread. [/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well[/quote]

I don’t follow…[/quote]

Yes exactly. It Doesn’t follow.[/quote]

Anytime I read a good post, like yours, not blaming racism for everything, I think of Thunderbolt and his accusations.
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Ah gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. :)[/quote]

Also…
You could blame racism, but then that doesn’t hold up when you look at the trajectory of economic and social conditions of American born Blacks Vs. North African-Americans.
In the same period from the 1950’s Black Immigrants have eliminated the wage, crime, and poverty gap between white Americans while the gap has grown massive in american-born black families.

It’s the same thing for virtually all other institutionally persecuted populations, Asians, Jews, etc…


#17

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Like usual, “gun-free zones” are part of the problem.

Stupid South Carolina not allowing folks to be armed in churches.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/18/charleston-church-massacre-happened-in-gun-free-zone/[/quote]

All of the so-called gun free zones are also places where mass murders have happened. So the reasoning behind conceal carry is void if people are not able to potentially carry to stop a shooting. I thought that was the whole point of the thing, but I could be wrong.


#18

Love the way how you run away from your brother now that he’s out in the open.


#19

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Love the way how you run away from your brother now that he’s out in the open.[/quote]

What fucking non-sense are you talking about now?


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