This is in reference to conventional, close to medium width stance.
I started noticing it a lot when over 4 plates on the deadlift (have switched to sumo recently because of a back injury, no such problem) and now one of my friends that is training with our little group started doing it as well- shifting onto the toes while pulling accompanied by quads shaking.
Possible causes, fixes? I just think it’s strange because I don’t have the same problem with squatting at all.
[quote]Flow wrote:
Rape Weight wrote:
Are you pulling back from the start or are you getting the weight up and then pulling back? I’m guessing the latter.
Work towards the former.
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Try wearing long pants and pulling the bar up and backward, all the while thinking “HEELS,HEELS,HEELS”[/quote]
X3 Don’t try to pull the weight straight upwards, your movement should be as if someone is pulling your hips backwards, the weight will keep you leveled.
Starting forward on the toes and finishing forward on the toes are two separate issues.
Starting forward on the foot is fine if you’re trying to get some more quad involvement, but at probably mid-shin with your pull you have to shift back on to the heels.
[quote]Dominator wrote:
Starting forward on the toes and finishing forward on the toes are two separate issues.
Starting forward on the foot is fine if you’re trying to get some more quad involvement, but at probably mid-shin with your pull you have to shift back on to the heels.[/quote]
This might be a matter of opinions, but I think it’s a lot better to simplify things and stick with focusing on the heels. Trying to shift from front-to-back disturbs the proper movement pattern and the last thing one needs when pulling heavy shit, is to worry about that as opposed as keeping perfect form throughout. If he wants more quad involvement, that’s what the squat is for…
I will second the stretching recommendation above and also add that if you REALLY can’t seem to get it, put your heels on some 10lb plates (assuming they won’t slide out from under you). This MAKES you drive through with the heels.
[quote]m1sf1t wrote:
Dominator wrote:
Starting forward on the toes and finishing forward on the toes are two separate issues.
Starting forward on the foot is fine if you’re trying to get some more quad involvement, but at probably mid-shin with your pull you have to shift back on to the heels.
This might be a matter of opinions, but I think it’s a lot better to simplify things and stick with focusing on the heels. Trying to shift from front-to-back disturbs the proper movement pattern and the last thing one needs when pulling heavy shit, is to worry about that as opposed as keeping perfect form throughout. If he wants more quad involvement, that’s what the squat is for…
Just my opinion.
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I think you completely missed the point of that post with regards to the weight transfer from toes to heels.
I think you’re confusing quad involvement with quad development or else your point about quad involvement with squats makes about zero sense.
Involving the quads on a conventional pull at seperation from the floor is a technique that some both OLers and PLers use. These lifters can get more momentum started with their quads and then are able to transfer weight to their back half much more effectively and as a result have a better leverage to lift heavier weights.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Looking to the ceiling has helped me a lot. Gets me on my heels more and gives me a lot more hip drive on lockout.[/quote]
Agreed. Just be careful though, cause looking up too much will cause cervical hyperextension. Eric Cressey has a good example of this in one of his articles.
5 Common Technique Mistakes
How Little Problems Add Up
by Eric Cressey
Just quick search this and you should find it.
Also, I found that pointing my toes straight forward helps with pulling from my heels and locking out my hips in conventional stance deadlifting. Don’t know your foot placement, but if it is 45 degrees out, try pointing them straight.