Great basic first cycle.
No need for front load - the body likes gradual, especially for a first cycle.
Switching to prop at the end is not a bad idea, but also not necessary (if you don’t it will just take a little longer to clear out of your system, but those two weeks don’t make a big difference unless you’re on on a timeline to be clean for something).
I would probably run 0.5 arimadex every 3rd day from the start, or 10mg nolvadex every day (or every other day) also from the start, and then adjust up if needed. I would also run HCG 250iu twice per week for the whole cycle.
As for PCT you can probably get away with something like 4-5 weeks nolvadex (40/40/20/20/10) and HCG for 5 weeks beyond your cycle twice per week at (500/500/250/250/250), as well as two full bottles of Alpha Male…this will help your natural recovery. Better be safe than sorry - I would always do PCT - it can’t hurt.
i have endomorph shape so i would go with 25 gauge thank you i already started to ready your post great lecture !!! thank you
I was only speaking in mixing oils, imagine suspension and tren mixed, crazy pip.
lol I’ve tried test suspension and tren suspension mixed pre heavy workout. It’s something.
Being an endomorph doesn’t really impact your choice here, but if you have higher body fat than 9/10% I would go for 23 gauge for most big muscle groups (25 for shoulders and arms).
Hey shadow pro , was wondering if cutting on parabolin (tren hex) would be as good as tren a ? Have an opportunity to get a lot and was wondering if better for cut or bulk ? I’ve been using your protocols with offseason test/tren e/ eq and test p /tren a/ mast e and have had the most improvements by far ! Only problem is where I live tren is commonly faked or underdosed - it can change extremely from batch to batch also … Do you think the parabolin would be a better option ? AP is held extremely high as a lab where I’m from 
thanks brother shadow !
Also what do you guys do for tren ? As you were competing in the Olympias , you would need spot on quality gear right ? So no bad batches or underdosed tren here and there , it would need 100% consistency … Do a majority of you all use the same ugl for tren; As there is some kind of holy grail ugl for tren? , or do yous have to deal with the same dilemmas of hit and miss stuff like us ? Haha
Or am I way off and overthinking lol ?
hey shadow, been doing tons and tons and TONS of reading lol and I wanted your opinion on my mass gain cycle that I wish to do. I have a competition coming on Nov. 4th. Afterwards I plan on coming off of everything and taking a couple months off to let my body get back to normal. When I start my next cycle I was thinking this:
750 mg TestE/week
750 mg EQ/week
600 mg TrenE/week
20 mg Dbol ed(upping dose by 10mg per week, up to 70mg) week 1-6(week 7-8 stay at 70mg)
Nolva 20mg ed(bump up if needed)
HCG 250iu 2x/week
I’m 5’11, currently at 200.0 lbs but coming down, probably sitting around 11-12% body fat. Obviously this will be lower come show time. And I’m going to be very conscious about not enjoying too much holiday food so that I can keep as lean as possible!
I was thinking about running this for about 16-18 weeks, then doing a cutting a cycle(which I have not planned out yet) and then another competition. Bodybuilding really is a passion for me and right now I have a classic physique body but my goal is to put on the size to be a bodybuilder! It really is a dream for me to take this as far as I can and Ive only gotten more and more motivated since Ive started! I appreciate your time, and any and all feedback you can give me! Thank you so much!!!
For cutting purposes I always try and go with the shortest esters so I prefer tren A. This is not to say that the hex wont work - it’s just longer and may not be “potent” in terms of the hardness it provides and it may give you a teeny bit more water retention. If you have to choose between low quality or underdosed tren A, and your tren hex is good quality for sure, then go with the hex. High quality always wins even if the ester is less suitable.
For gaining, hex is a great choice.
We all have to deal with it, but getting to know the right veterinarian/pharmacist/chemist is more likely the more involved you get in the industry.
In my peak years, I had excellent reputable sources and it helped a lot.
You never know when sources will disappear (it’s not exactly a reliable industry) but even then we probably have less issue than the average gym bro.
Just keep hunting down better sources and hang on to them when you find them.
If you find a great source and can afford it, then buy bulk.
First of all good job on doing your homework - I can see that you are doing your reading and expanding your knowledge and i appreciate that.
Your cycle for GAINING is excellent. It does depend on previous cycles what I would recommend for dosages (feel free to send to me for more feedback). If you are an experienced user and have a few cycles under your belt, I would probably up your doses a little. Maybe:
1G test per week
1200 EQ
700-800 tren
DBol you can bump all the way to 100 (but then no more than 10 weeks total)
HCG and Nolva - great
If you want to stay a little lower on the dosing, then just bump the EQ - you want it a little higher than the test. I g perhaps per week of the EQ if the rest stays as written.
As for your timeline - if you want to do a cutting cycle right after, 16 weeks is pushing it (I assume your cutting cycle will be no less than 8 weeks - possibly more). Maybe 12 weeks gaining and then if needed 8 weeks cutting. Over 20 weeks is pushing it.
If you want to post pictures I can be more specific.
Hello SP, long time no see! How is everything?
After 3 months off, I’m starting my hopefully first real “offseason”. My supplements plan:
W 1-4 400mg Test Cyp, 400mg EQ
W 5-8 600mg Test Cyp, 600mg EQ
W 9-16 800mg Test Cyp, 800mg EQ
W 1-5 30-40mg Dbol or Tbol
GH 3-4iu / day
IGF LR3 20mcg / day, IGF Des 20mcg on weak body parts day
HCG 250iu twice per week
10mg Nolva / day
Standard pct HCG, Clomid, Nolva. Also have Letro on hand if needed. Any suggestions what I should change? I’ve tried GH once before, never IGF. Completely new in this area.
Thanks!
This will be my third cycle! My first was just 750/week of TestCyp. My current cycle is 750/week TestCyp; 375/week TrenE(switching to 600/week of TrenA soon); 375/week MastE. Also doing 40mcg Clen/2on2off. This is for my show in 7ish weeks. So after the show I’m gonna take time off. Show is Nov 4th and I would like to start my mass gain for next year sometime around late January/early February. Like I said I really want to be competitive and make it as far as I can in the sport. Ill also have a training partner for the first time ever starting here in a few weeks so I’d really like to maximize the potential that this opportunity could bring. We’re planning on training almost all of 2018 together. I would add in GH with maybe some lower doses(I think Id be able to afford about 6iu for 20 weeks) but I am blessed with a pretty small waist that I don’t want to ruin. I know 6iu wouldn’t be crazy but I guess I’m a little paranoid and I would like to save the money lol. I’ll post some pictures for you in a few weeks maybe! I want to shed some more of the fluff so you can really get a good idea of what I’m working with!
Hey Shadow I’m back with news questions for a cycle I might be doing on november
Time period 12 weeks
Test Pro :350/week -12weeks
EQ : 600mg/week -10weeks
Dbol 40mg/day 5 weeks
Tren Ace 350mg/week 6 weeks starting week 2
Masteron 300mg/week 3 weeks starting week 5
Anavar 40mg/day 4weeks starting week 6
HCG starting weeks 3 250X2 /week until end of cycle
AI : Arimidex 0.25 EOD or EO3D bump if needed
Nolva on hand possible use to harden up toward mid cicle
Cabergolin ? should i use it for tren ?
PCT Nolva 40/40/20/20
Very good - you did your homework. A few minor suggestions…
Dose the EQ a little higher than the test (200 higher I suggest)
I would probably go 500/700/900 for the test? 400 is a little low for a mass cycle.
You can run the DBol up to 8 weeks. I would start at 30 and taper up 10mg every week.
GH - 2 iu pre workout, 2iu post workout
IGF - you’ll have to increase weekly or it wont be as effective (10mcg per week is a reasonable increase)
HCG and Nolva - perfect
PCT - also good but I would add a bottle or two of Alpha Male
Not sure you’ll need the clomid but doesn’t hurt to have.
Pay attention to hemoglobin and blood pressure levels with the EQ
7 weeks out you should probably switch the test and mast to prop. In general only short esters from 8 weeks out.
Depending on how you look you could consider t3.
I didn’t see any mention of an anti estrogen - crucial at this point so I hope it’s being taken.
6iu of GH wont impact your waist (it will, however impact your wallet …I still recommend it if it’s an option for you) - just pay attention to timing as I’ve recommended in previous posts.
Heads up if you’re doing a show, the best time to gain mass is right after the show so take advantage of the rebound phase and do it correctly (drugs, diet, and training). I would at least do 6-8 weeks of rebound after the show and not wait until Jan/Feb, and then do PCT and take some time off (depending how long this cycle is).
Post pictures if you want some feedback.
I guess my first question is what is the goal of this cycle?
If it’s a cutting cycle then no need for the EQ or DBol, and the Anavar is at too low of a dose for you to use (for men anything less than 80-100 wont do much unless you’re literally under 5/6% body fat and just using it to harden up).
If it’s a mass cycle, I wouldn’t use a short ester for the test and I would leave the masteron and Anavar out. I would up the DBol to 8 weeks and use a higher dose - you can taper up from 30 by 10mg per week. I would run tren E at 400-600 per week (depending on experience), and I would up the dose on the test and EQ,
Caber only use if needed.
Run HCG and Alpha male throughout the PCT with Nolva (possibly add clomid if needed)
Thanks for the reply let’s say it’s a quality mass cycle while trying to get down body fat and harden up in the end
No experience with steroids no cycle done yet
I kinda want to go get the most from the lowest dosages through consistency and hard work is that something doable there ?
If I add 3 kgs of quality mass and get lower body fat/ harder look I would be lore than happy what do you think ? Thanks
Three kilos of clean quality muscle is quite a lot.
Would you mind posting a picture? If you want to send that and some more info I can help with more specifics.
If it’s your first cycle (especially if your goals are to get the most from lowest dosages) this is pretty aggressive.
Are your diet and training on point? These are the first steps.
Then I usually recommend a basic test cycle as a first - you never know how your body will react to juice. If you start with all these compounds, you will never know what you respond well to and what’s doing what. I would personally take this back to something appropriate for a first cycle and go from there.
Based on the first message you sent me I even more think that you should start with a solid basic cycle (500mg per week of test E with HCG and anti estrogens)…your suggested cycle is a mash of things that don’t match up (in terms of esters, compounds and dosing)…do a cycle, learn about it and your body and then build up.
Shadow_Pro regarding my thread I posted here as you suggested -
Unfortunately I f…d up all situation, because I went to the doc and started complaining a bit. So we decide that I can run hcg for 3 months with clomid 10 pills every months and then finish with clomid only for a month .
However hcg is completly out of stock in my country so as doc said I can start clomid for 3 months to raise again LH and FSH . I started few days ago but I do not know if it is really necessary to take it for three months, if not I will take it for one month and then after two months I will do lab test. After that I will wait because i do not want to take something more
Concerning viagra and cialis it really doesn’t help me with 100%. Dick can be hard but not so much hard as it should be . this is the problem . I know i need homeostatis .
Shadow_Pro, what is your opinion now for clomid terapy - take it fpr month or 3 months as doc suggested?