Shadow Pro Q&A 4.0

Pharma / TRT
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[quote]kokoja wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]kokoja wrote:
Hello Shadow.
First of all, i would like to thank you for the advise you gave me 6~ months ago regarding running T3/4, it did great for me (easily dropped from 13%BF to 10% without changing anything else in my program), thanks a bunch!

Anyhow, i have been thinking of running something else, a first cycle of sorts. To be honest, i’ve read a lot of threads and articles before coming here, and i am very confused. Pretty much everyone is of a different opinion (be it in the compounds used, or the quantities, or the duration). As a first timer thought, i want to… “test the waters” so to speak, and i want to try out with orals as starters. I was advised by several people to try out the following:

T-bol 6-8 weeks (1 week 30mg daily, the rest 60mg daily)
Clenbuterol 8-9 weeks (stating at 20mg daily, ramping to 120, then de-loading back to 20)
Proviron 9-12 weeks (50 mg daily)

As i said, i am a complete newbie with no past experience using, so i would really love it if you can give me an advise.

With regards,

Nick [/quote]

You’re welcome. I’m happy it helped!

Can you please post a current picture. This is not something I’d recommend for a first cycle.

What is the goal of this cycle? Testosterone should always be a base especially in a first cycle and I don’t see antiestrogens or HCG here. Way too many orals for a first cycle.
[/quote]

Hi, thanks for getting back.
Here are 2 pictures → http://i.imgur.com/hNdLpq0.jpg?1 / http://i.imgur.com/rbUrshg.jpg?1

Those are from… about 2 months ago, i’m a few % leaner now. Anyhow, my goals… well, im starting to transition from kickboxing and powerlifting to bodybuilding more and more, i like the way it makes me feel, i like the methodical way of eating, and the way im slowly starting to look. About my goals… well, getting shredded to the bone! Currently im trying to bulk up (slowly, because i don't want to gain much fat while doing it, i do want to learn how to stay lean all year round). But with that said, im also interested in cutting. What can you recommend for a first timer? I doubt it’s possible to gain only muscle mass even with steroids, so any tips on how to approach both, from pharmaceutical point of view, of course, i won’t bother you with training methods and such, going to respect the thread and all :wink:

Regards,
Nick[/quote]

You look very good. If you want to do a first cycle I wouldn’t suggest doing oral only. If you’re going to do it then do it right… Just do something very basic, this will give you some mass gains and will keep you relatively hard.

Week 1-12 test-e@ 500mg
Week 1-6 anavar @ 50mg/day
HCG 250iu twice a week, start in week 2
Nolva @ 10mg everyday.

For a cutting cycle I would probably use test-p instead of the test-e. Something like 100mg every other day. After you make sure everything is okay I would also consider adding some masteron-p to this. Nothing more for a first cycle.

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[quote]Sparowe wrote:
You’re right I didn’t do enough research, I was advised to use that. I’ll do my research. :)[/quote]

Read the post above, this might give you a better idea about planning and how to do a proper first cycle. Both of these are good options and won’t be harmful.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]kokoja wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]kokoja wrote:
Hello Shadow.
First of all, i would like to thank you for the advise you gave me 6~ months ago regarding running T3/4, it did great for me (easily dropped from 13%BF to 10% without changing anything else in my program), thanks a bunch!

Anyhow, i have been thinking of running something else, a first cycle of sorts. To be honest, i’ve read a lot of threads and articles before coming here, and i am very confused. Pretty much everyone is of a different opinion (be it in the compounds used, or the quantities, or the duration). As a first timer thought, i want to… “test the waters” so to speak, and i want to try out with orals as starters. I was advised by several people to try out the following:

T-bol 6-8 weeks (1 week 30mg daily, the rest 60mg daily)
Clenbuterol 8-9 weeks (stating at 20mg daily, ramping to 120, then de-loading back to 20)
Proviron 9-12 weeks (50 mg daily)

As i said, i am a complete newbie with no past experience using, so i would really love it if you can give me an advise.

With regards,

Nick [/quote]

You’re welcome. I’m happy it helped!

Can you please post a current picture. This is not something I’d recommend for a first cycle.

What is the goal of this cycle? Testosterone should always be a base especially in a first cycle and I don’t see antiestrogens or HCG here. Way too many orals for a first cycle.
[/quote]

Hi, thanks for getting back.
Here are 2 pictures → http://i.imgur.com/hNdLpq0.jpg?1 / http://i.imgur.com/rbUrshg.jpg?1

Those are from… about 2 months ago, i’m a few % leaner now. Anyhow, my goals… well, im starting to transition from kickboxing and powerlifting to bodybuilding more and more, i like the way it makes me feel, i like the methodical way of eating, and the way im slowly starting to look. About my goals… well, getting shredded to the bone! Currently im trying to bulk up (slowly, because i don't want to gain much fat while doing it, i do want to learn how to stay lean all year round). But with that said, im also interested in cutting. What can you recommend for a first timer? I doubt it’s possible to gain only muscle mass even with steroids, so any tips on how to approach both, from pharmaceutical point of view, of course, i won’t bother you with training methods and such, going to respect the thread and all :wink:

Regards,
Nick[/quote]

You look very good. If you want to do a first cycle I wouldn’t suggest doing oral only. If you’re going to do it then do it right… Just do something very basic, this will give you some mass gains and will keep you relatively hard.

Week 1-12 test-e@ 500mg
Week 1-6 anavar @ 50mg/day
HCG 250iu twice a week, start in week 2
Nolva @ 10mg everyday.

For a cutting cycle I would probably use test-p instead of the test-e. Something like 100mg every other day. After you make sure everything is okay I would also consider adding some masteron-p to this. Nothing more for a first cycle.[/quote]

I see, thanks a lot for the info, i will give it a try eventually. First i gotta learn exactly how to inject myself, as i have no prior experience. Just a few more question, if thats ok.
1). Test-e, should i inject it once a week, all 500mg/s (which i belive is 2 standard ampules?) or on separate days? Also, would it be ok to run lower, maybe 250 a week as starters ?
2.) When i start injecting HCG, should i do it on the same days as the test, or different? Any alternatives to consider?
3.) Should i run the cycle 12 weeks in total, or can i lower it ot 8-10, depending on how i feel, and if so, should i change anything?
4.) What about PCT, do i need it with that cycle you described?

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Thanks for the advise. I did read that post, thanks. I also did some research. I was thinking on doing a standard 10-12 week cycle since I’m a new user. I still have some questions:

  1. Can I use Sustanon for a first cycle instead of Test enth?
  2. The secondary compound can be any oral derivative Dbol, Anadrol,Deca, EQ…?
  3. Both Dbol and anadrol can be used 10-12 weeks?
  4. PCT Nolva from week 12-20?
  5. The pattern for recurring cycles is time on being equal to time off to recover fully ( HPTA )and get back to normal?

Thank you for your answer.

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[quote]kokoja wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]kokoja wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]kokoja wrote:
Hello Shadow.
First of all, i would like to thank you for the advise you gave me 6~ months ago regarding running T3/4, it did great for me (easily dropped from 13%BF to 10% without changing anything else in my program), thanks a bunch!

Anyhow, i have been thinking of running something else, a first cycle of sorts. To be honest, i’ve read a lot of threads and articles before coming here, and i am very confused. Pretty much everyone is of a different opinion (be it in the compounds used, or the quantities, or the duration). As a first timer thought, i want to… “test the waters” so to speak, and i want to try out with orals as starters. I was advised by several people to try out the following:

T-bol 6-8 weeks (1 week 30mg daily, the rest 60mg daily)
Clenbuterol 8-9 weeks (stating at 20mg daily, ramping to 120, then de-loading back to 20)
Proviron 9-12 weeks (50 mg daily)

As i said, i am a complete newbie with no past experience using, so i would really love it if you can give me an advise.

With regards,

Nick [/quote]

You’re welcome. I’m happy it helped!

Can you please post a current picture. This is not something I’d recommend for a first cycle.

What is the goal of this cycle? Testosterone should always be a base especially in a first cycle and I don’t see antiestrogens or HCG here. Way too many orals for a first cycle.
[/quote]

Hi, thanks for getting back.
Here are 2 pictures → http://i.imgur.com/hNdLpq0.jpg?1 / http://i.imgur.com/rbUrshg.jpg?1

Those are from… about 2 months ago, i’m a few % leaner now. Anyhow, my goals… well, im starting to transition from kickboxing and powerlifting to bodybuilding more and more, i like the way it makes me feel, i like the methodical way of eating, and the way im slowly starting to look. About my goals… well, getting shredded to the bone! Currently im trying to bulk up (slowly, because i don't want to gain much fat while doing it, i do want to learn how to stay lean all year round). But with that said, im also interested in cutting. What can you recommend for a first timer? I doubt it’s possible to gain only muscle mass even with steroids, so any tips on how to approach both, from pharmaceutical point of view, of course, i won’t bother you with training methods and such, going to respect the thread and all :wink:

Regards,
Nick[/quote]

You look very good. If you want to do a first cycle I wouldn’t suggest doing oral only. If you’re going to do it then do it right… Just do something very basic, this will give you some mass gains and will keep you relatively hard.

Week 1-12 test-e@ 500mg
Week 1-6 anavar @ 50mg/day
HCG 250iu twice a week, start in week 2
Nolva @ 10mg everyday.

For a cutting cycle I would probably use test-p instead of the test-e. Something like 100mg every other day. After you make sure everything is okay I would also consider adding some masteron-p to this. Nothing more for a first cycle.[/quote]

I see, thanks a lot for the info, i will give it a try eventually. First i gotta learn exactly how to inject myself, as i have no prior experience. Just a few more question, if thats ok.
1). Test-e, should i inject it once a week, all 500mg/s (which i belive is 2 standard ampules?) or on separate days? Also, would it be ok to run lower, maybe 250 a week as starters ?
2.) When i start injecting HCG, should i do it on the same days as the test, or different? Any alternatives to consider?
3.) Should i run the cycle 12 weeks in total, or can i lower it ot 8-10, depending on how i feel, and if so, should i change anything?
4.) What about PCT, do i need it with that cycle you described?[/quote]

  1. I would suggest 2 weekly shots (Monday/Thursday) 250mg each. Anything less than 500 is more like a trt dose so it won’t do much in terms of growth so I would stick with 500 as your base, it’s still considered very low.
  2. HCG shot on the same days as the test. No real alternative here. Once you learn how to inject you’ll see it’s not a big deal. You can do a lot of research on injection sites by googling it.
  3. If you’re using short esters like test-p you can run it for 8 weeks only. If you’re using long esters like test-e then I would run it for 12 (10 would be a minimum)
  4. This is a very moderate cycle so I’m not sure if you’ll need a pct but just incase I would continue to run nolvadex for another 4 weeks at 20mg/day and HCG for 2 more week post cycle at 500iu 2x/week.
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[quote]Sparowe wrote:
Thanks for the advise. I did read that post, thanks. I also did some research. I was thinking on doing a standard 10-12 week cycle since I’m a new user. I still have some questions:

  1. Can I use Sustanon for a first cycle instead of Test enth?
  2. The secondary compound can be any oral derivative Dbol, Anadrol,Deca, EQ…?
  3. Both Dbol and anadrol can be used 10-12 weeks?
  4. PCT Nolva from week 12-20?
  5. The pattern for recurring cycles is time on being equal to time off to recover fully ( HPTA )and get back to normal?

Thank you for your answer.[/quote]

  1. Yes you can but it will mean more frequent injections because there’s short esters in it. It also might cause more mood swings because it’s not as stable in your blood as test-e would be.
  2. You don’t have to do a secondary compound. Speaking about research… Deca and eq are injectable, not oral.
  3. I wouldn’t necessarily run any orals on your first cycle (definitely not Anadrol - too hard) if anything dbol or anavar for 6 weeks. The dosage and compound will depend on your goal.
  4. Nolvadex should be run during the whole cycle. Same for HCG. Read the post above about how a pct for a first cycle should look. Do a bit more research into PCT’s so you have more background information.
  5. Really depends on the kind of cycle. There’s no formula for this. Equal time on and time off is a good start.
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My bad on deca and eq. Will check the pct post and learn more on it too. I’m really grateful for your time and information. Thank you. Keep up the good work.

349

Hey pro,

Whats your opinion on minimal effective dose for a compound or total dose of multiple compounds?

Say 250mg Test + 300mg Equipoise + 200mg tren VS 750mg Test

350

Hi shadow…looking for advice using metformin while on insulin plan to cycle insulin at 4 weeks at a time pre workout only (10iu Humalog) would metformin be necessary to prevent insulin resistance? also I’ve read using metformin along with insulin can cause you to go hypo if not careful? insulin would be ran around 4-5times per week. trying to reduce effects of insulin resistance best i can, so any advice is more than welcome. thanks.

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hey shadow,

hope you’re alright, are you doing Mr. O this year and if so - hows things sofar?

i got a question…

im on test e 500mg a week, on my 10th week, running 0.25mg arimidex e2d/e3d, i know youre not a fan of it, but i got all the good pharmaceutical stuff, i only had 2 packages of nolva so had no chance to run it everyday, like you advice it, but i do my blood test, my skin is alright, e2 is in a good range and no signs of gyno.

you probably wont be a fan of this, running it towards the end of the cycle but what is your opinion about NPP? I would like to get the test down to 250mg e5d, so its like 500mg / 10 days and run npp for like 300/400mg

im not expecting a miracle just coz i add these drugs but i always wanted to try something more, so in this case it would be NPP or dbol

so i was thinking about

after week 14 till 18 get test down to 250mg e5d and then add
week 12 till 17 300/400mg, 100mg e2d

what would be your opinion on it? my nutrition is on track and other than that its running really good but i was thinking to either add NPP for 5/6 weeks or dbol for 4/5 weeks(no abuse just a small dosage of 10/20mg) to see how my body responds to someting different than Test E, incase i would like to add some other compounds in my future cycles.

i will most likely add it, but i want your opinion on it! since you always helped me and i appreciate it a lot!
should i take something like caber concerning prolactine issues or i shouldnt really be worried at running 300/400mg of npp? incase i would face some negatives i would actually just remove it… should i be taking arimidex, i still have loads of it and i found this sweet spot where it kinda works for me!

pct as usual, nolva combined with clomid

thanks

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[quote]StupidNumber13 wrote:
Hey pro,

Whats your opinion on minimal effective dose for a compound or total dose of multiple compounds?

Say 250mg Test + 300mg Equipoise + 200mg tren VS 750mg Test[/quote]

I would say that at those dosages 750mg/week would be more effective. If we’re talking about higher dosages then I would probably recommend combining different compounds.

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[quote]ginston wrote:
Hi shadow…looking for advice using metformin while on insulin plan to cycle insulin at 4 weeks at a time pre workout only (10iu Humalog) would metformin be necessary to prevent insulin resistance? also I’ve read using metformin along with insulin can cause you to go hypo if not careful? insulin would be ran around 4-5times per week. trying to reduce effects of insulin resistance best i can, so any advice is more than welcome. thanks. [/quote]

No need for metformin with this protocol. You won’t get insulin resistant from this kind of dosage and short period of time. I agree, I wouldn’t suggest using them together in most cases.

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[quote]Lukekk1 wrote:
hey shadow,

hope you’re alright, are you doing Mr. O this year and if so - hows things sofar?

i got a question…

im on test e 500mg a week, on my 10th week, running 0.25mg arimidex e2d/e3d, i know youre not a fan of it, but i got all the good pharmaceutical stuff, i only had 2 packages of nolva so had no chance to run it everyday, like you advice it, but i do my blood test, my skin is alright, e2 is in a good range and no signs of gyno.

you probably wont be a fan of this, running it towards the end of the cycle but what is your opinion about NPP? I would like to get the test down to 250mg e5d, so its like 500mg / 10 days and run npp for like 300/400mg

im not expecting a miracle just coz i add these drugs but i always wanted to try something more, so in this case it would be NPP or dbol

so i was thinking about

after week 14 till 18 get test down to 250mg e5d and then add
week 12 till 17 300/400mg, 100mg e2d

what would be your opinion on it? my nutrition is on track and other than that its running really good but i was thinking to either add NPP for 5/6 weeks or dbol for 4/5 weeks(no abuse just a small dosage of 10/20mg) to see how my body responds to someting different than Test E, incase i would like to add some other compounds in my future cycles.

i will most likely add it, but i want your opinion on it! since you always helped me and i appreciate it a lot!
should i take something like caber concerning prolactine issues or i shouldnt really be worried at running 300/400mg of npp? incase i would face some negatives i would actually just remove it… should i be taking arimidex, i still have loads of it and i found this sweet spot where it kinda works for me!

pct as usual, nolva combined with clomid

thanks[/quote]

I think it’s too short of a time period to experience any great benefits from the deca and the test is too low. If anything I would keep the test the same and add the dbol for the last few weeks as you suggested, it makes much more sense than deca at this point of the cycle.

If you decide to add the deca anyways, I would have caber in hand. I doubt you’ll need it and I would only use it if you notice side effects.

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Hello shadow, long time not reading the forum and im glad you are still here!
have 2 new questions:

1-What do you think about the fat loss effect of pseudoefedrine?
They say its not as good as efedrine, but here in my country it is impossible to get efedrine, and my doc prescribed me pseudo because of spring allergies, and it really gets my energy up. Can i use it as a tool for fat loss at 120mg daily?
God, it even gave me insomnia…i could workout for hours on this!
Thoughts?

2-Cialis for pre workout as a vasodilator? ever used it? some people on the forums swear by the pumps it gives them!

thank you
cheers

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Hi SP, starting a new cycle soon … will be my third.
How does this sound to u?

Wk 1-4 50mg Dbol daily
Wk 1-14 250mg sust, 500mg Test E EW
Wk 1-10 Deca 400mg EW
Wk 12-14 HCG 2500iu EW

wk 17-21 Nolva 40/20/20/20

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Hi Shadow, thank you for all of the threads starting from the beginning. Much appreciated . I decided to sign up as a result of an ongoing issue for me.

I have done about 5 different insulin(humalog) cycles lasting 4-6 weeks and no longer, and taking the appropriate time off between. I instantly began to notice that i am insulin resistant, don’t ever go hypo either.
So, i added metformin into my regime, and i did shred a little bit of fat, although it did not help anything surrounding my Insulin resistance issue.
Now the metformin is taken only with my post workout meal when i do insulin.
My doses for humalog are all pre workout, 10iu always.

I am 5’11 216 12% BF .

Not sure where to turn at this point. If you have any suggestions, they are openly welcome. Thanks Shadow!

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Hey shadow,

A rather unconventional question, but do you think PED’s made you a better person? As in you mentioned in an earlier post that tren/halo has had it’s toll on you in the past, but nowadays you know to control yourself better or not take it out on people

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[quote]Pilosox wrote:
Hello shadow, long time not reading the forum and im glad you are still here!
have 2 new questions:

1-What do you think about the fat loss effect of pseudoefedrine?
They say its not as good as efedrine, but here in my country it is impossible to get efedrine, and my doc prescribed me pseudo because of spring allergies, and it really gets my energy up. Can i use it as a tool for fat loss at 120mg daily?
God, it even gave me insomnia…i could workout for hours on this!
Thoughts?

2-Cialis for pre workout as a vasodilator? ever used it? some people on the forums swear by the pumps it gives them!

thank you
cheers[/quote]

  1. It’s okay, nothing too special. You might notice some minor changes while using it but I wouldn’t say it’s the best option. You could use Clen, t3 or other fat burners that are much more efficient.

  2. Cialis preworkout is decent for pump. Again, there’s better options… Most preworkouts will work better than that. But if you have a girlfriend you might as well try it and then go see her after your session :wink:

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[quote]wenbin wrote:
Hi SP, starting a new cycle soon … will be my third.
How does this sound to u?

Wk 1-4 50mg Dbol daily
Wk 1-14 250mg sust, 500mg Test E EW
Wk 1-10 Deca 400mg EW
Wk 12-14 HCG 2500iu EW

wk 17-21 Nolva 40/20/20/20

[/quote]

Cycle looks decent. I would take the HCG throughout the whole cycle at 250iu 2x/week. Same for nolvadex @ 20mg everyday and continue with the nolva for 3 weeks post cycle.

It won’t make a big difference either way but I would choose test-e by itself instead of mixing with sust. It will be more stable this way.

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[quote]thailandnation wrote:
Hi Shadow, thank you for all of the threads starting from the beginning. Much appreciated . I decided to sign up as a result of an ongoing issue for me.

I have done about 5 different insulin(humalog) cycles lasting 4-6 weeks and no longer, and taking the appropriate time off between. I instantly began to notice that i am insulin resistant, don’t ever go hypo either.
So, i added metformin into my regime, and i did shred a little bit of fat, although it did not help anything surrounding my Insulin resistance issue.
Now the metformin is taken only with my post workout meal when i do insulin.
My doses for humalog are all pre workout, 10iu always.

I am 5’11 216 12% BF .

Not sure where to turn at this point. If you have any suggestions, they are openly welcome. Thanks Shadow![/quote]

Did you take GH with the insulin? Usually I wouldn’t recommend taking insulin by itself unless you’re very lean (under 8%) and if your body responds well to carbs in general. I would suggest going on indigo right away and use some kind of diet that includes carbs only pre, intra and post workout. Adding cardio to the mix isn’t a bad idea either.