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Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

What is your opinion on running two 19-nors together (Deca + Tren specifically)? I know a lot of people instantly shut down the idea, but I know of others who have run them together and say that if prolactin is handled, then it’s a great combo. A proposal would be high test / moderate deca / low tren.

Shadow,

First, thanks for all the info you have provided thus far. I have read through every page of both of your threads so far and learned a lot along the way

I would like to run my upcoming cycle by you and get your thoughts.

My background: 32 years old. I have been training pretty consistently for over 10 years now. Mostly bodybuilding but I reshifted my focus to strength sports about 2 years ago. Most of my training is centered around the big 3 these days with some strongman stuff thrown in

I am wrapping up a 16 week cut right now where I lost ~30lbs and finally managed to get my BF and diet in check. I’m 5’11, a little under 230lbs at the moment and 10-12% BF.

I am reverse dieting currently. I was at 3200 cals for the majority of my cut and I’m at 3600 this week. Plan to increase it by 100 cals each week until I start to see some fat gain. The cals each week will be added some to protein but mostly carbs. I have incorporated a lot of your recommendations for dieting already. In addition to that, I follow a lot of what John Meadows recommends.

Current Macros:
100 fat
360 carb
315 pro

I have only been using for the past 2 years or so. I have used test, mast p & e, eq, dbol and anavar. I respond really well to test. By reading what you have posted so far, I’m not sure I was using the mast and EQ optimally and when I was my diet was shit. I have been noticing my liver values trending up lately so I’m tenative on orals. The past 2 liver panels my values were just a few points above normal. Pre-cycle blood work has already been done and I will have results today. I’m not concerned with fertility or having children at all.

Plan: Goal for this cycle is purely strength with minimal fat gain
250mg Test-C EOD (I have a bunch of this and really like it)
100mg Tren-A EOD (I have never used tren. 100 EOD is a starting point)
20mg nolva ED (per your recommendation)
25mg Proviron ED (interested in trying this for the mild AI effect and SHBG affiinity)

What do you think so far?

What would you add? I don’t have room in the budget for GH but there is room for something else. I was going to add Deca but the potential for impotence scares the shit out of me. Masteron maybe? I will post my liver panel results when I get them so that may allow for an oral.

Any other suggestions for cycle support supplements? I have curcumin, rhodiola and dandelion root per your recommendation.

Anything else I am missing?

Thanks in advance for your help.

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:
what do you think about my off season diet

meal 1 8:00
eggs
whey protein
olive oil
fish oil

meal 2 pre and intra workout 11:00
3 servings Plazma
1 serving MAG-10

meal 3 post workout 12:30
3 servings Plazma
1 serving MAG-10

meal 4 1:30
chicken
pasta
fish oil

meal 5 5:30
whey protein
oats
fruits
fish oil
coconut oil

meal 6 9:30
eggs
whey
cottage
olive oil
fish o[/quote]

Food choices are good… But I need to know the amounts of each food, this is just a list of food.

[/quote]

my weight 270pounds
height 6.0

i would like suggestion heavy steroid cycle…as a mr olympia competitor
i have these drugs
testosterone enantate and propionate
dianabol
winstrol
trenbolone enantate and acetate
deca durabolin
arimidex
nolvadex
hcg

my last cycles were 12week on 6 weeks off
enantate testosterone 2000mg/week
deca durabolin 1000mg/week
trenbolone enantate 500mg/week
dianabol 50mg day (first 6 weeks)
winstrol 50mg ed( last 6 weeks)
arimidex 1.5mg
nolvadex 20mg
hcg 250iu 3x week

6 weeks off
clomid 100mg ed
nolvadex 20mg ed
insulin 20 iu post workout

thanks[/quote]
[/quote]

Current photos in regular light from front and back. I’m assuming this is not a current picture considering the cycle information you just gave me… But regardless the dosages are still way too high and I wouldn’t do tren and deca together in the same cycle.

If you can post current photos I can help you build from there…

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
Hello
i will do this cycle 6 month
sustanon 1000mg
deca 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
anavar 50mg/day

what should i take to combat side effects?[/quote]

Please post a picture along with your current diet and training if you want a serious answer.

I’m not sure if you are joking but this doesn’t seem like a serious question. If you’ve read any of my thread you would know this mixture of compounds is something I would never recommend.

A 24 week cycle???
[/quote]

i train has 10 years i will compete 2x per year here is my diet

monday pecs(5 exercises)
tuesday back (6 exercises)
wednesday delts/traps (5 and 2 exercises)
thursday legs and calves (6 and 3 exercises)
friday arms ( 6 exercises)

all exercises 5x 15,12,10,8,6

i will use with my cycle 250 iu hcg 2x week more 1mg arimidex ed and nolvadex 20mg ed

diet

breakfeast
300gr yougurt
100gr granola
100gr vp2

meal 2
100gr vp2
100gr oats

meal 3
200gr rice cooked
300gr chicken
salad

meal 4 (2hours pre workout)
200gr sweet potato
1 banana
200gr meat

meal 5 post workout
100gr vp2
100gr dextrose
5gr bcaa
5gr glutamine

meal 6

300gr meat
salada
olive oil
[/quote]

Diet is all over the place, food choices are not ideal and I don’t even know where to start. No intraworkout nutrition, too much dairy, bad post workout meal, fat is too high and wrong nutritional timing. Cycle is way too long and wrong choices of compounds and dosages.

From what I see you don’t have enough knowledge or experience to be thinking about doing a cycle right now. I think we might have a language barrier here so if you can post a picture it will help me a lot to make more suggestions.[/quote]
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No matter how you turn it 24 weeks is way too long for a cycle. I already gave you my diet recommendations.

I wouldn’t advise deca and tren in the same cycle but if you are going to do it anyways then you’ll want to use caber with it to prevent progesterone side effects.

The biggest issue I see here is your diet and you need to fix this first before anything. The suggestions I made will give you a start and the intraworkout is very important. Hiring a knowledgable coach would be a good idea! I would help you more but there’s way too much to fix, you need a whole new diet.

[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi shadow. I wanted to ask your opinion in regard to insulin resistance caused by GH and exogenous slin use.

Do you have any suggestions to avoid insulin resistance when taking GH ? I know many recommend avoid eating carbs right after a GH shot (By the way does this theory also apply to consumption of fats?), I would also think it would be hard to do so if one is using GH for bulking. Also as for Insulin, what kind of time on/time off protocol do you recommend for someone that is taking 10IU of huamlog 6 times a week to avoid insulin resistance?

I know that taking GH causes insulin resistance…and so does exogenous Slin use. So, basically I wanted to know what you suggest to avoid it as much as possible. Do you recommend using drugs such as Metformin?

I don’t use high doses of either. About 10IU of homolog pre work out and 4-6IU of Growth per day in the off-season. Though I typically pin my GH post work out and consume a ton of carbs after. [/quote]

The dosages you are taking are relatively moderate so I wouldn’t worry too much about insulin resistance from GH or the insulin. I would consider these doses “safe”. If you want to take extra precautions with insulin you should do 6 weeks on followed by 6 weeks off.

If you take GH for fat loss purposes then taking it on an empty stomach is a good idea. Either 90 min preworkout or first thing in the morning 30 min before food. If you want to pin your GH post workout you can and then have your shake or meal 30 minutes later.

There’s no issue eating fats and protein after GH. Metformin can be used but more commonly for people who are using higher dosages.

[quote]Nozza wrote:
Hey Shadow,

I have read both topics and have learned so much.

I have not seen this question come in yet.

I am a 22 year old male, 180 pounds 5 foot 9 who does powerlifting. I have never done any drugs in my entire life and do not drink or smoke. I have been suffering with zero sex drive and it is impossible for me to get or maintain the few erections I do get. I got my bloods done thinking it was Low Test issue and this is my first result. Low test and very high estrodial.

Oestradiol 191 (less than 150) Yes that is not a typo mine is 191…
Progesterone - 3 (less than 3)
Testosteone 13 (10-33)
Free Testosteone 35 (60-130) Not even on the low side here…
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin - 17 (13-71)

Now I have my thread here if you want more details

After over a month of trying to fix myself here are my latest blood test results

LH - 11iu/l (3-20)
FSH - 10iu/l (3-20)
Oestradiol - 97 pmol/l (150 or less) Although you said 80 to be perfect
TT - 24 nmol (10 - 33) this is 690 ng/dl in american :slight_smile:
Free test - 704 pmol/l (150 - 750)
SHBG - 17 nmol/l (13-71)

As you can see they are back to “normal” yet I still have absolutely zero sex drive and I am playing pool with a noodle so to speak. I am at the end of my rope here since it is messing up my girlfriends life as well as mine. I have had all the tests done as you can see in my thread. (I know you want us to post in full detail here but I dont want to copy my thread and if anybody wants to read my journey they can follow the link)

What should I do? I just want to feel like a man again and get my erections back. Thank you for your help and all the info you freely provide to us :slight_smile:

Here is the link to my thread again incase anybody does want more info

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_trt/22_yo_with_low_test_and_high_estradiol?id=6105213&pageNo=1[/quote]

Honestly, I wish I could help you with this but it’s out of my area of expertise.

I know a lot of guys who have greatly benefited from long term daily cialis use. If all else fails you could be a good candidate for HRT/TRT therapy, something mild like 250mg/week of testosterone can do wonders for sex drive.

[quote]CxTucker wrote:
What is your opinion on running two 19-nors together (Deca + Tren specifically)? I know a lot of people instantly shut down the idea, but I know of others who have run them together and say that if prolactin is handled, then it’s a great combo. A proposal would be high test / moderate deca / low tren.[/quote]

Not a big fan of this idea and I really think the cons outweigh the pros with these. Even people who handle prolactin issues intelligently still have cases of being shut down and not recovering for months on end.

I would pick one or the other. Personally, tren would always be my choice. A moderate to high test/tren combo will always give you great gains. As you know from previous posts I’m not a huge fan of deca in general because I think there’s a lot better choices for size and strength without the sides.

Only time I think deca a good choice would be after an injury or trying to mask issues with joints.

[quote]PATSS wrote:
Shadow,

First, thanks for all the info you have provided thus far. I have read through every page of both of your threads so far and learned a lot along the way

I would like to run my upcoming cycle by you and get your thoughts.

My background: 32 years old. I have been training pretty consistently for over 10 years now. Mostly bodybuilding but I reshifted my focus to strength sports about 2 years ago. Most of my training is centered around the big 3 these days with some strongman stuff thrown in

I am wrapping up a 16 week cut right now where I lost ~30lbs and finally managed to get my BF and diet in check. I’m 5’11, a little under 230lbs at the moment and 10-12% BF.

I am reverse dieting currently. I was at 3200 cals for the majority of my cut and I’m at 3600 this week. Plan to increase it by 100 cals each week until I start to see some fat gain. The cals each week will be added some to protein but mostly carbs. I have incorporated a lot of your recommendations for dieting already. In addition to that, I follow a lot of what John Meadows recommends.

Current Macros:
100 fat
360 carb
315 pro

I have only been using for the past 2 years or so. I have used test, mast p & e, eq, dbol and anavar. I respond really well to test. By reading what you have posted so far, I’m not sure I was using the mast and EQ optimally and when I was my diet was shit. I have been noticing my liver values trending up lately so I’m tenative on orals. The past 2 liver panels my values were just a few points above normal. Pre-cycle blood work has already been done and I will have results today. I’m not concerned with fertility or having children at all.

Plan: Goal for this cycle is purely strength with minimal fat gain
250mg Test-C EOD (I have a bunch of this and really like it)
100mg Tren-A EOD (I have never used tren. 100 EOD is a starting point)
20mg nolva ED (per your recommendation)
25mg Proviron ED (interested in trying this for the mild AI effect and SHBG affiinity)

What do you think so far?

What would you add? I don’t have room in the budget for GH but there is room for something else. I was going to add Deca but the potential for impotence scares the shit out of me. Masteron maybe? I will post my liver panel results when I get them so that may allow for an oral.

Any other suggestions for cycle support supplements? I have curcumin, rhodiola and dandelion root per your recommendation.

Anything else I am missing?

Thanks in advance for your help. [/quote]

Great post, I appreciate all of the detail and I can tell you’ve done your research!

Your cycle looks great and here is my suggestion since strength is your goal…
-don’t add deca, it will kill your dick and won’t do shit for strength gains
-tren starting dose is great and if you are handling it will you can increase it to 75 everyday mid cycle

  • if liver values allow it then I would definitely add an oral, best option being oral t-bol, d-bol (if you don’t mind water retention) or winstrol (if you don’t have joint issues) Winstrol is great for strength and people underestimate it’s effect on strength.
    (Wintrol @ 50mg everyday for first 6 weeks OR tbol/dbol at 40-80mg everyday tapering up slowly for 6-8 weeks)
    -if you choose winstrol you don’t need Proviron but if you choose one of the other two then you can keep the Proviron in.
    -if you can use an oral and want to use an injectable then EQ would be my choice, it will help you with strength endurance and size.
    -masteron is a great drug but it won’t help with strength gains it’s more for physique purposes of hardening up so I wouldn’t add it here

Supplements: Plazma intraworkout will be your #1 choice, it will help with strength. Circumin, Rhodiola and dandelion are great so keep it in and add NAC for liver support.


hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]
[/quote]

hi ricky
Thank you think these photos will serve

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
Hello
i will do this cycle 6 month
sustanon 1000mg
deca 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
anavar 50mg/day

what should i take to combat side effects?[/quote]

Please post a picture along with your current diet and training if you want a serious answer.

I’m not sure if you are joking but this doesn’t seem like a serious question. If you’ve read any of my thread you would know this mixture of compounds is something I would never recommend.

A 24 week cycle???
[/quote]

i train has 10 years i will compete 2x per year here is my diet

monday pecs(5 exercises)
tuesday back (6 exercises)
wednesday delts/traps (5 and 2 exercises)
thursday legs and calves (6 and 3 exercises)
friday arms ( 6 exercises)

all exercises 5x 15,12,10,8,6

i will use with my cycle 250 iu hcg 2x week more 1mg arimidex ed and nolvadex 20mg ed

diet

breakfeast
300gr yougurt
100gr granola
100gr vp2

meal 2
100gr vp2
100gr oats

meal 3
200gr rice cooked
300gr chicken
salad

meal 4 (2hours pre workout)
200gr sweet potato
1 banana
200gr meat

meal 5 post workout
100gr vp2
100gr dextrose
5gr bcaa
5gr glutamine

meal 6

300gr meat
salada
olive oil
[/quote]

Diet is all over the place, food choices are not ideal and I don’t even know where to start. No intraworkout nutrition, too much dairy, bad post workout meal, fat is too high and wrong nutritional timing. Cycle is way too long and wrong choices of compounds and dosages.

From what I see you don’t have enough knowledge or experience to be thinking about doing a cycle right now. I think we might have a language barrier here so if you can post a picture it will help me a lot to make more suggestions.[/quote]
[/quote]

No matter how you turn it 24 weeks is way too long for a cycle. I already gave you my diet recommendations.

I wouldn’t advise deca and tren in the same cycle but if you are going to do it anyways then you’ll want to use caber with it to prevent progesterone side effects.

The biggest issue I see here is your diet and you need to fix this first before anything. The suggestions I made will give you a start and the intraworkout is very important. Hiring a knowledgable coach would be a good idea! I would help you more but there’s way too much to fix, you need a whole new diet.
[/quote]

hello shadow

what do you think about my new cycle 6 weeks on/3 off

first 3 weeks
sustanon 1000mg
deca 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
anadrol 100mg day
hcg 250iu 2x week
arimidex 1mg day

last 3 weeks
testosterone propionate 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
winstrol 100mg day
hcg 250 iu 2x week
arimidex 1mg day

3 weeks off
clomid 50mg

i don’t have other drug to change with deca…what problem tren with deca?

thanks

Hi Shadow Pro, Just a couple of questions in regards to PCT

  1. How necessary is it to run HCG during a cycle and what benefits does it provide? in NZ it is hard to get a hold of and can be extremely overpriced when you can get it.

  2. Would you always run Nolva during a cycle? or does it depend how aggressive it is?

  3. If running Nolva and HCG during a cycle would you have to do PCT or could you just cruise at a low dose of test until ready to blast again? and then re-introduce the nolva and HCG

Thanks in advance

Hi Shadow, what’s your advise on post contest rebound cycle? It’s after pre contest cycle straight jump into post contest cycle rebound?
The day after the show?

[quote]doom44 wrote:
Hi Shadow, what’s your advise on post contest rebound cycle? It’s after pre contest cycle straight jump into post contest cycle rebound?
The day after the show? [/quote]

This has been answered a few times already by shadow, go back & look through the thread before asking the same questions… Plus you have to provide more details, not just ask about a post contest rebound cycle.
He will need stats, cycle history, body fat, macros & pictures to give a detailed answer.

Hope this helps

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
Great post, I appreciate all of the detail and I can tell you’ve done your research!

Your cycle looks great and here is my suggestion since strength is your goal…
-don’t add deca, it will kill your dick and won’t do shit for strength gains
-tren starting dose is great and if you are handling it will you can increase it to 75 everyday mid cycle

  • if liver values allow it then I would definitely add an oral, best option being oral t-bol, d-bol (if you don’t mind water retention) or winstrol (if you don’t have joint issues) Winstrol is great for strength and people underestimate it’s effect on strength.
    (Wintrol @ 50mg everyday for first 6 weeks OR tbol/dbol at 40-80mg everyday tapering up slowly for 6-8 weeks)
    -if you choose winstrol you don’t need Proviron but if you choose one of the other two then you can keep the Proviron in.
    -if you can use an oral and want to use an injectable then EQ would be my choice, it will help you with strength endurance and size.
    -masteron is a great drug but it won’t help with strength gains it’s more for physique purposes of hardening up so I wouldn’t add it here

Supplements: Plazma intraworkout will be your #1 choice, it will help with strength. Circumin, Rhodiola and dandelion are great so keep it in and add NAC for liver support.[/quote]

Yes, I have absolutely done my research. I’m an engineer by trade so over-analyzation comes naturally to me. I am also lucky to be surrounded by some very experienced people.

  • Noted on the deca and tren. You confirmed my plan there

  • My liver values came back normal yesterday so I picked up 200 25mg tabs of dbol. I was thinking of running dbol at 50mg/day 1 dose in the morning and 1 dose preworkout. Sound good?

  • I will save the EQ for a later bulking cycle at 800-1g per your earlier recommendation. I will save the Masteron for a future cut.

Final question, I know WIlliam Llewellyn recommends taking orals on an empty stomach. Do you follow this as well? I’m probably overthinking this and with as much as we eat its tough to find a time when you have an “empty” stomach too!

Questions about Dosage:

I recently had Sust, tren and anadrol fall into my lap and I havent done a cycle since college and unfortunately in college I had an extremely experienced body builder as a roommate who carried me through everything. I have read over and over about dosages for test prop, enth, cyps etc but I have a question on sust and tren dosage, dosages of tamox and letrozole and some feedback on my planned cycle.
First, Ill throw a quick bio out for the talking heads:
6’3 and 245lbs
18% body fat
Bench-375x2 Squat-505x2 Deadlift-545x2
Current lifting Split:
Monday-Back Density and Bi’s
Tuesday-Chest and Tris
Wednesday-Legs and Olympic lifts (ie cleans, snatches, second round of deadlifts)
Thursday-Shoulders, back width specific and traps
Friday-Arms, abs
Saturday-Legs and anything I feel needs to be hit again.

Possible cycle:
W 1-4 Anadrol 25mg 2xD
W 1-10 Sust (?)mg (Dosage help please)
W 4-8 Tren (?)mg (Dosage help please)
W 10-12 HCG 5000iu E5D x2, then 2500iu E5D x2
W 10-11 Clomid 50mg 3x/D, Tamox and Letrozole (Dosage help please)
W 11-12 Clomid 50mg 2x/D, Tamox and Letrozole (Dosage help please)

Cycle goals to help rationalize my possibly wrong plan; I can blow up like a cartoon character and since I am 6’3 already I just want to put lean mass on and improve my strength. I have a short Tren cycle in there because I am afraid of its supressive nature and figure a shorter one paired with sust would be a good combo.

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]
[/quote]

hi ricky
Thank you think these photos will serve[/quote]

The biggest issue I see with you is the super high dose of test and all other oils. As I said before, I think tren and deca together won’t give you as many benefits as they will give you more negative side effects (loss of libido and progesterone sides). If you are keen on using these together I would use caber in the cycle and depending how sensitive you are this might work and might not.

Something like this would be more appropriate

Test-e 1200mg/week
Tren-e 600-800mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day(slowly increase to 80-100 over 6 weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ED
HCG 250iu 3x/week
Insulin pre workout (10min before Plazma) 10iu
*slowly build up from here if you can deal with higher amounts
GH- as much as you can afford
*since this is an off season cycle I would do it post workout and before bed.

Keep short acting drugs for a cutting cycle. More IS NOT better.

Run this cycle for 12 weeks and take 6 off for a pct.

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
Hello
i will do this cycle 6 month
sustanon 1000mg
deca 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
anavar 50mg/day

what should i take to combat side effects?[/quote]

Please post a picture along with your current diet and training if you want a serious answer.

I’m not sure if you are joking but this doesn’t seem like a serious question. If you’ve read any of my thread you would know this mixture of compounds is something I would never recommend.

A 24 week cycle???
[/quote]

i train has 10 years i will compete 2x per year here is my diet

monday pecs(5 exercises)
tuesday back (6 exercises)
wednesday delts/traps (5 and 2 exercises)
thursday legs and calves (6 and 3 exercises)
friday arms ( 6 exercises)

all exercises 5x 15,12,10,8,6

i will use with my cycle 250 iu hcg 2x week more 1mg arimidex ed and nolvadex 20mg ed

diet

breakfeast
300gr yougurt
100gr granola
100gr vp2

meal 2
100gr vp2
100gr oats

meal 3
200gr rice cooked
300gr chicken
salad

meal 4 (2hours pre workout)
200gr sweet potato
1 banana
200gr meat

meal 5 post workout
100gr vp2
100gr dextrose
5gr bcaa
5gr glutamine

meal 6

300gr meat
salada
olive oil
[/quote]

Diet is all over the place, food choices are not ideal and I don’t even know where to start. No intraworkout nutrition, too much dairy, bad post workout meal, fat is too high and wrong nutritional timing. Cycle is way too long and wrong choices of compounds and dosages.

From what I see you don’t have enough knowledge or experience to be thinking about doing a cycle right now. I think we might have a language barrier here so if you can post a picture it will help me a lot to make more suggestions.[/quote]
[/quote]

No matter how you turn it 24 weeks is way too long for a cycle. I already gave you my diet recommendations.

I wouldn’t advise deca and tren in the same cycle but if you are going to do it anyways then you’ll want to use caber with it to prevent progesterone side effects.

The biggest issue I see here is your diet and you need to fix this first before anything. The suggestions I made will give you a start and the intraworkout is very important. Hiring a knowledgable coach would be a good idea! I would help you more but there’s way too much to fix, you need a whole new diet.
[/quote]

hello shadow

what do you think about my new cycle 6 weeks on/3 off

first 3 weeks
sustanon 1000mg
deca 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
anadrol 100mg day
hcg 250iu 2x week
arimidex 1mg day

last 3 weeks
testosterone propionate 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
winstrol 100mg day
hcg 250 iu 2x week
arimidex 1mg day

3 weeks off
clomid 50mg

i don’t have other drug to change with deca…what problem tren with deca?

thanks[/quote]

Again, dosages are too high for someone at your level. The cycle looks okay besides the deca and the tren as I mentioned above to your friend, read explanation given there.

Pick either tren or deca and run it for 8-12 weeks, not 6.

Here’s what I suggest in terms of dosages
Sustanon 750mg/week
Tren-e 400-500mg/week
Anadrol 50mg/day (6weeks)
HCG 250iu 2 x/week
Adex 1mg EOD

No point in changing to short esters just keep these same drugs for the whole 8-12weeks. You can change the Anadrol to winstrol after 6 weeks if you want, but it’s not ideal. I would give the body a 2 week minimum break between switching orals. Wintstrol @50mg/day instead of 100

Most important thing to remember… MORE IS NOT BETTER!

@rickbarbosi

I think you need to look into the issues of your diet first of all, this is going to make a huge difference for you.

Also… In your pct add nolvadex and HCG in addition to the clomid