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Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

[quote]CWLin wrote:
Hello Shadow,

What’s your opinion between solid food protein source/protein shake?

I try to have over 300g of protein per day in this cycle,
My friend ask me to have 24 egg whites, 40oz meat per day and just 2 servings of WHEY isolate.
What if I have at least 6~8 servings of shake and cut a little bit of solid food?
Is real PRO always eat so much solid food everyday?[/quote]

If you’re trying to have about 300g of protein each day then about 1/2 of it should come from solid food and the rest can come from quality supplements… I count egg whites as a liquid protein because you can just drink them.

Intraworkout, post workout and morning I would use liquid sources… Breakfast: egg whites Intraworkout: Plazma Post Workout: MAG-10 And have 3-4 solid meals throughout the day.

There’s no right or wrong here, it really depends on your nutritional timing. Some meals liquid is a superior source (ex: Plazma intraworkout). Obviously I wouldn’t recommend to drink 8 shakes a day because you should have lots of variety.

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
would i like to know if i can have gyno of DECA DURABOLIN using nolvadex or arimidex!?[/quote]

You REALLY need to do some more research, if you have to ask me a question like this then you definitely haven’t read any of the information I’ve given here before.

Go back and read, you’ll find your answer in 5 minutes.

Honestly, this will be only one of many problems you’ll have with the insane dosages you’re taking.

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:
what do you think about my off season diet

meal 1 8:00
eggs
whey protein
olive oil
fish oil

meal 2 pre and intra workout 11:00
3 servings Plazma
1 serving MAG-10

meal 3 post workout 12:30
3 servings Plazma
1 serving MAG-10

meal 4 1:30
chicken
pasta
fish oil

meal 5 5:30
whey protein
oats
fruits
fish oil
coconut oil

meal 6 9:30
eggs
whey
cottage
olive oil
fish o[/quote]

Food choices are good… But I need to know the amounts of each food, this is just a list of food.

[/quote]

my weight 270pounds
height 6.0

i would like suggestion heavy steroid cycle…as a mr olympia competitor
i have these drugs
testosterone enantate and propionate
dianabol
winstrol
trenbolone enantate and acetate
deca durabolin
arimidex
nolvadex
hcg

my last cycles were 12week on 6 weeks off
enantate testosterone 2000mg/week
deca durabolin 1000mg/week
trenbolone enantate 500mg/week
dianabol 50mg day (first 6 weeks)
winstrol 50mg ed( last 6 weeks)
arimidex 1.5mg
nolvadex 20mg
hcg 250iu 3x week

6 weeks off
clomid 100mg ed
nolvadex 20mg ed
insulin 20 iu post workout

thanks[/quote]

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
Hello
i will do this cycle 6 month
sustanon 1000mg
deca 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
anavar 50mg/day

what should i take to combat side effects?[/quote]

Please post a picture along with your current diet and training if you want a serious answer.

I’m not sure if you are joking but this doesn’t seem like a serious question. If you’ve read any of my thread you would know this mixture of compounds is something I would never recommend.

A 24 week cycle???
[/quote]

i train has 10 years i will compete 2x per year here is my diet

monday pecs(5 exercises)
tuesday back (6 exercises)
wednesday delts/traps (5 and 2 exercises)
thursday legs and calves (6 and 3 exercises)
friday arms ( 6 exercises)

all exercises 5x 15,12,10,8,6

i will use with my cycle 250 iu hcg 2x week more 1mg arimidex ed and nolvadex 20mg ed

diet

breakfeast
300gr yougurt
100gr granola
100gr vp2

meal 2
100gr vp2
100gr oats

meal 3
200gr rice cooked
300gr chicken
salad

meal 4 (2hours pre workout)
200gr sweet potato
1 banana
200gr meat

meal 5 post workout
100gr vp2
100gr dextrose
5gr bcaa
5gr glutamine

meal 6

300gr meat
salada
olive oil
[/quote]

Diet is all over the place, food choices are not ideal and I don’t even know where to start. No intraworkout nutrition, too much dairy, bad post workout meal, fat is too high and wrong nutritional timing. Cycle is way too long and wrong choices of compounds and dosages.

From what I see you don’t have enough knowledge or experience to be thinking about doing a cycle right now. I think we might have a language barrier here so if you can post a picture it will help me a lot to make more suggestions.[/quote]

Hi shadow. I wanted to ask your opinion in regard to insulin resistance caused by GH and exogenous slin use.

Do you have any suggestions to avoid insulin resistance when taking GH ? I know many recommend avoid eating carbs right after a GH shot (By the way does this theory also apply to consumption of fats?), I would also think it would be hard to do so if one is using GH for bulking. Also as for Insulin, what kind of time on/time off protocol do you recommend for someone that is taking 10IU of huamlog 6 times a week to avoid insulin resistance?

I know that taking GH causes insulin resistance…and so does exogenous Slin use. So, basically I wanted to know what you suggest to avoid it as much as possible. Do you recommend using drugs such as Metformin?

I don’t use high doses of either. About 10IU of homolog pre work out and 4-6IU of Growth per day in the off-season. Though I typically pin my GH post work out and consume a ton of carbs after.

Hey Shadow,

I have read both topics and have learned so much.

I have not seen this question come in yet.

I am a 22 year old male, 180 pounds 5 foot 9 who does powerlifting. I have never done any drugs in my entire life and do not drink or smoke. I have been suffering with zero sex drive and it is impossible for me to get or maintain the few erections I do get. I got my bloods done thinking it was Low Test issue and this is my first result. Low test and very high estrodial.

Oestradiol 191 (less than 150) Yes that is not a typo mine is 191…
Progesterone - 3 (less than 3)
Testosteone 13 (10-33)
Free Testosteone 35 (60-130) Not even on the low side here…
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin - 17 (13-71)

Now I have my thread here if you want more details

After over a month of trying to fix myself here are my latest blood test results

LH - 11iu/l (3-20)
FSH - 10iu/l (3-20)
Oestradiol - 97 pmol/l (150 or less) Although you said 80 to be perfect
TT - 24 nmol (10 - 33) this is 690 ng/dl in american :slight_smile:
Free test - 704 pmol/l (150 - 750)
SHBG - 17 nmol/l (13-71)

As you can see they are back to “normal” yet I still have absolutely zero sex drive and I am playing pool with a noodle so to speak. I am at the end of my rope here since it is messing up my girlfriends life as well as mine. I have had all the tests done as you can see in my thread. (I know you want us to post in full detail here but I dont want to copy my thread and if anybody wants to read my journey they can follow the link)

What should I do? I just want to feel like a man again and get my erections back. Thank you for your help and all the info you freely provide to us :slight_smile:

Here is the link to my thread again incase anybody does want more info

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_trt/22_yo_with_low_test_and_high_estradiol?id=6105213&pageNo=1

What is your opinion on running two 19-nors together (Deca + Tren specifically)? I know a lot of people instantly shut down the idea, but I know of others who have run them together and say that if prolactin is handled, then it’s a great combo. A proposal would be high test / moderate deca / low tren.

Shadow,

First, thanks for all the info you have provided thus far. I have read through every page of both of your threads so far and learned a lot along the way

I would like to run my upcoming cycle by you and get your thoughts.

My background: 32 years old. I have been training pretty consistently for over 10 years now. Mostly bodybuilding but I reshifted my focus to strength sports about 2 years ago. Most of my training is centered around the big 3 these days with some strongman stuff thrown in

I am wrapping up a 16 week cut right now where I lost ~30lbs and finally managed to get my BF and diet in check. I’m 5’11, a little under 230lbs at the moment and 10-12% BF.

I am reverse dieting currently. I was at 3200 cals for the majority of my cut and I’m at 3600 this week. Plan to increase it by 100 cals each week until I start to see some fat gain. The cals each week will be added some to protein but mostly carbs. I have incorporated a lot of your recommendations for dieting already. In addition to that, I follow a lot of what John Meadows recommends.

Current Macros:
100 fat
360 carb
315 pro

I have only been using for the past 2 years or so. I have used test, mast p & e, eq, dbol and anavar. I respond really well to test. By reading what you have posted so far, I’m not sure I was using the mast and EQ optimally and when I was my diet was shit. I have been noticing my liver values trending up lately so I’m tenative on orals. The past 2 liver panels my values were just a few points above normal. Pre-cycle blood work has already been done and I will have results today. I’m not concerned with fertility or having children at all.

Plan: Goal for this cycle is purely strength with minimal fat gain
250mg Test-C EOD (I have a bunch of this and really like it)
100mg Tren-A EOD (I have never used tren. 100 EOD is a starting point)
20mg nolva ED (per your recommendation)
25mg Proviron ED (interested in trying this for the mild AI effect and SHBG affiinity)

What do you think so far?

What would you add? I don’t have room in the budget for GH but there is room for something else. I was going to add Deca but the potential for impotence scares the shit out of me. Masteron maybe? I will post my liver panel results when I get them so that may allow for an oral.

Any other suggestions for cycle support supplements? I have curcumin, rhodiola and dandelion root per your recommendation.

Anything else I am missing?

Thanks in advance for your help.

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]gilmarpersonal wrote:
what do you think about my off season diet

meal 1 8:00
eggs
whey protein
olive oil
fish oil

meal 2 pre and intra workout 11:00
3 servings Plazma
1 serving MAG-10

meal 3 post workout 12:30
3 servings Plazma
1 serving MAG-10

meal 4 1:30
chicken
pasta
fish oil

meal 5 5:30
whey protein
oats
fruits
fish oil
coconut oil

meal 6 9:30
eggs
whey
cottage
olive oil
fish o[/quote]

Food choices are good… But I need to know the amounts of each food, this is just a list of food.

[/quote]

my weight 270pounds
height 6.0

i would like suggestion heavy steroid cycle…as a mr olympia competitor
i have these drugs
testosterone enantate and propionate
dianabol
winstrol
trenbolone enantate and acetate
deca durabolin
arimidex
nolvadex
hcg

my last cycles were 12week on 6 weeks off
enantate testosterone 2000mg/week
deca durabolin 1000mg/week
trenbolone enantate 500mg/week
dianabol 50mg day (first 6 weeks)
winstrol 50mg ed( last 6 weeks)
arimidex 1.5mg
nolvadex 20mg
hcg 250iu 3x week

6 weeks off
clomid 100mg ed
nolvadex 20mg ed
insulin 20 iu post workout

thanks[/quote]
[/quote]

Current photos in regular light from front and back. I’m assuming this is not a current picture considering the cycle information you just gave me… But regardless the dosages are still way too high and I wouldn’t do tren and deca together in the same cycle.

If you can post current photos I can help you build from there…

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
Hello
i will do this cycle 6 month
sustanon 1000mg
deca 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
anavar 50mg/day

what should i take to combat side effects?[/quote]

Please post a picture along with your current diet and training if you want a serious answer.

I’m not sure if you are joking but this doesn’t seem like a serious question. If you’ve read any of my thread you would know this mixture of compounds is something I would never recommend.

A 24 week cycle???
[/quote]

i train has 10 years i will compete 2x per year here is my diet

monday pecs(5 exercises)
tuesday back (6 exercises)
wednesday delts/traps (5 and 2 exercises)
thursday legs and calves (6 and 3 exercises)
friday arms ( 6 exercises)

all exercises 5x 15,12,10,8,6

i will use with my cycle 250 iu hcg 2x week more 1mg arimidex ed and nolvadex 20mg ed

diet

breakfeast
300gr yougurt
100gr granola
100gr vp2

meal 2
100gr vp2
100gr oats

meal 3
200gr rice cooked
300gr chicken
salad

meal 4 (2hours pre workout)
200gr sweet potato
1 banana
200gr meat

meal 5 post workout
100gr vp2
100gr dextrose
5gr bcaa
5gr glutamine

meal 6

300gr meat
salada
olive oil
[/quote]

Diet is all over the place, food choices are not ideal and I don’t even know where to start. No intraworkout nutrition, too much dairy, bad post workout meal, fat is too high and wrong nutritional timing. Cycle is way too long and wrong choices of compounds and dosages.

From what I see you don’t have enough knowledge or experience to be thinking about doing a cycle right now. I think we might have a language barrier here so if you can post a picture it will help me a lot to make more suggestions.[/quote]
[/quote]

No matter how you turn it 24 weeks is way too long for a cycle. I already gave you my diet recommendations.

I wouldn’t advise deca and tren in the same cycle but if you are going to do it anyways then you’ll want to use caber with it to prevent progesterone side effects.

The biggest issue I see here is your diet and you need to fix this first before anything. The suggestions I made will give you a start and the intraworkout is very important. Hiring a knowledgable coach would be a good idea! I would help you more but there’s way too much to fix, you need a whole new diet.

[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi shadow. I wanted to ask your opinion in regard to insulin resistance caused by GH and exogenous slin use.

Do you have any suggestions to avoid insulin resistance when taking GH ? I know many recommend avoid eating carbs right after a GH shot (By the way does this theory also apply to consumption of fats?), I would also think it would be hard to do so if one is using GH for bulking. Also as for Insulin, what kind of time on/time off protocol do you recommend for someone that is taking 10IU of huamlog 6 times a week to avoid insulin resistance?

I know that taking GH causes insulin resistance…and so does exogenous Slin use. So, basically I wanted to know what you suggest to avoid it as much as possible. Do you recommend using drugs such as Metformin?

I don’t use high doses of either. About 10IU of homolog pre work out and 4-6IU of Growth per day in the off-season. Though I typically pin my GH post work out and consume a ton of carbs after. [/quote]

The dosages you are taking are relatively moderate so I wouldn’t worry too much about insulin resistance from GH or the insulin. I would consider these doses “safe”. If you want to take extra precautions with insulin you should do 6 weeks on followed by 6 weeks off.

If you take GH for fat loss purposes then taking it on an empty stomach is a good idea. Either 90 min preworkout or first thing in the morning 30 min before food. If you want to pin your GH post workout you can and then have your shake or meal 30 minutes later.

There’s no issue eating fats and protein after GH. Metformin can be used but more commonly for people who are using higher dosages.

[quote]Nozza wrote:
Hey Shadow,

I have read both topics and have learned so much.

I have not seen this question come in yet.

I am a 22 year old male, 180 pounds 5 foot 9 who does powerlifting. I have never done any drugs in my entire life and do not drink or smoke. I have been suffering with zero sex drive and it is impossible for me to get or maintain the few erections I do get. I got my bloods done thinking it was Low Test issue and this is my first result. Low test and very high estrodial.

Oestradiol 191 (less than 150) Yes that is not a typo mine is 191…
Progesterone - 3 (less than 3)
Testosteone 13 (10-33)
Free Testosteone 35 (60-130) Not even on the low side here…
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin - 17 (13-71)

Now I have my thread here if you want more details

After over a month of trying to fix myself here are my latest blood test results

LH - 11iu/l (3-20)
FSH - 10iu/l (3-20)
Oestradiol - 97 pmol/l (150 or less) Although you said 80 to be perfect
TT - 24 nmol (10 - 33) this is 690 ng/dl in american :slight_smile:
Free test - 704 pmol/l (150 - 750)
SHBG - 17 nmol/l (13-71)

As you can see they are back to “normal” yet I still have absolutely zero sex drive and I am playing pool with a noodle so to speak. I am at the end of my rope here since it is messing up my girlfriends life as well as mine. I have had all the tests done as you can see in my thread. (I know you want us to post in full detail here but I dont want to copy my thread and if anybody wants to read my journey they can follow the link)

What should I do? I just want to feel like a man again and get my erections back. Thank you for your help and all the info you freely provide to us :slight_smile:

Here is the link to my thread again incase anybody does want more info

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_trt/22_yo_with_low_test_and_high_estradiol?id=6105213&pageNo=1[/quote]

Honestly, I wish I could help you with this but it’s out of my area of expertise.

I know a lot of guys who have greatly benefited from long term daily cialis use. If all else fails you could be a good candidate for HRT/TRT therapy, something mild like 250mg/week of testosterone can do wonders for sex drive.

[quote]CxTucker wrote:
What is your opinion on running two 19-nors together (Deca + Tren specifically)? I know a lot of people instantly shut down the idea, but I know of others who have run them together and say that if prolactin is handled, then it’s a great combo. A proposal would be high test / moderate deca / low tren.[/quote]

Not a big fan of this idea and I really think the cons outweigh the pros with these. Even people who handle prolactin issues intelligently still have cases of being shut down and not recovering for months on end.

I would pick one or the other. Personally, tren would always be my choice. A moderate to high test/tren combo will always give you great gains. As you know from previous posts I’m not a huge fan of deca in general because I think there’s a lot better choices for size and strength without the sides.

Only time I think deca a good choice would be after an injury or trying to mask issues with joints.

[quote]PATSS wrote:
Shadow,

First, thanks for all the info you have provided thus far. I have read through every page of both of your threads so far and learned a lot along the way

I would like to run my upcoming cycle by you and get your thoughts.

My background: 32 years old. I have been training pretty consistently for over 10 years now. Mostly bodybuilding but I reshifted my focus to strength sports about 2 years ago. Most of my training is centered around the big 3 these days with some strongman stuff thrown in

I am wrapping up a 16 week cut right now where I lost ~30lbs and finally managed to get my BF and diet in check. I’m 5’11, a little under 230lbs at the moment and 10-12% BF.

I am reverse dieting currently. I was at 3200 cals for the majority of my cut and I’m at 3600 this week. Plan to increase it by 100 cals each week until I start to see some fat gain. The cals each week will be added some to protein but mostly carbs. I have incorporated a lot of your recommendations for dieting already. In addition to that, I follow a lot of what John Meadows recommends.

Current Macros:
100 fat
360 carb
315 pro

I have only been using for the past 2 years or so. I have used test, mast p & e, eq, dbol and anavar. I respond really well to test. By reading what you have posted so far, I’m not sure I was using the mast and EQ optimally and when I was my diet was shit. I have been noticing my liver values trending up lately so I’m tenative on orals. The past 2 liver panels my values were just a few points above normal. Pre-cycle blood work has already been done and I will have results today. I’m not concerned with fertility or having children at all.

Plan: Goal for this cycle is purely strength with minimal fat gain
250mg Test-C EOD (I have a bunch of this and really like it)
100mg Tren-A EOD (I have never used tren. 100 EOD is a starting point)
20mg nolva ED (per your recommendation)
25mg Proviron ED (interested in trying this for the mild AI effect and SHBG affiinity)

What do you think so far?

What would you add? I don’t have room in the budget for GH but there is room for something else. I was going to add Deca but the potential for impotence scares the shit out of me. Masteron maybe? I will post my liver panel results when I get them so that may allow for an oral.

Any other suggestions for cycle support supplements? I have curcumin, rhodiola and dandelion root per your recommendation.

Anything else I am missing?

Thanks in advance for your help. [/quote]

Great post, I appreciate all of the detail and I can tell you’ve done your research!

Your cycle looks great and here is my suggestion since strength is your goal…
-don’t add deca, it will kill your dick and won’t do shit for strength gains
-tren starting dose is great and if you are handling it will you can increase it to 75 everyday mid cycle

  • if liver values allow it then I would definitely add an oral, best option being oral t-bol, d-bol (if you don’t mind water retention) or winstrol (if you don’t have joint issues) Winstrol is great for strength and people underestimate it’s effect on strength.
    (Wintrol @ 50mg everyday for first 6 weeks OR tbol/dbol at 40-80mg everyday tapering up slowly for 6-8 weeks)
    -if you choose winstrol you don’t need Proviron but if you choose one of the other two then you can keep the Proviron in.
    -if you can use an oral and want to use an injectable then EQ would be my choice, it will help you with strength endurance and size.
    -masteron is a great drug but it won’t help with strength gains it’s more for physique purposes of hardening up so I wouldn’t add it here

Supplements: Plazma intraworkout will be your #1 choice, it will help with strength. Circumin, Rhodiola and dandelion are great so keep it in and add NAC for liver support.


hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
hello gilmar
I have this photo I took last week on the course I did with you[/quote]
[/quote]

hi ricky
Thank you think these photos will serve

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rickbarbosi wrote:
Hello
i will do this cycle 6 month
sustanon 1000mg
deca 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
anavar 50mg/day

what should i take to combat side effects?[/quote]

Please post a picture along with your current diet and training if you want a serious answer.

I’m not sure if you are joking but this doesn’t seem like a serious question. If you’ve read any of my thread you would know this mixture of compounds is something I would never recommend.

A 24 week cycle???
[/quote]

i train has 10 years i will compete 2x per year here is my diet

monday pecs(5 exercises)
tuesday back (6 exercises)
wednesday delts/traps (5 and 2 exercises)
thursday legs and calves (6 and 3 exercises)
friday arms ( 6 exercises)

all exercises 5x 15,12,10,8,6

i will use with my cycle 250 iu hcg 2x week more 1mg arimidex ed and nolvadex 20mg ed

diet

breakfeast
300gr yougurt
100gr granola
100gr vp2

meal 2
100gr vp2
100gr oats

meal 3
200gr rice cooked
300gr chicken
salad

meal 4 (2hours pre workout)
200gr sweet potato
1 banana
200gr meat

meal 5 post workout
100gr vp2
100gr dextrose
5gr bcaa
5gr glutamine

meal 6

300gr meat
salada
olive oil
[/quote]

Diet is all over the place, food choices are not ideal and I don’t even know where to start. No intraworkout nutrition, too much dairy, bad post workout meal, fat is too high and wrong nutritional timing. Cycle is way too long and wrong choices of compounds and dosages.

From what I see you don’t have enough knowledge or experience to be thinking about doing a cycle right now. I think we might have a language barrier here so if you can post a picture it will help me a lot to make more suggestions.[/quote]
[/quote]

No matter how you turn it 24 weeks is way too long for a cycle. I already gave you my diet recommendations.

I wouldn’t advise deca and tren in the same cycle but if you are going to do it anyways then you’ll want to use caber with it to prevent progesterone side effects.

The biggest issue I see here is your diet and you need to fix this first before anything. The suggestions I made will give you a start and the intraworkout is very important. Hiring a knowledgable coach would be a good idea! I would help you more but there’s way too much to fix, you need a whole new diet.
[/quote]

hello shadow

what do you think about my new cycle 6 weeks on/3 off

first 3 weeks
sustanon 1000mg
deca 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
anadrol 100mg day
hcg 250iu 2x week
arimidex 1mg day

last 3 weeks
testosterone propionate 600mg
trenbolone 300mg
winstrol 100mg day
hcg 250 iu 2x week
arimidex 1mg day

3 weeks off
clomid 50mg

i don’t have other drug to change with deca…what problem tren with deca?

thanks

Hi Shadow Pro, Just a couple of questions in regards to PCT

  1. How necessary is it to run HCG during a cycle and what benefits does it provide? in NZ it is hard to get a hold of and can be extremely overpriced when you can get it.

  2. Would you always run Nolva during a cycle? or does it depend how aggressive it is?

  3. If running Nolva and HCG during a cycle would you have to do PCT or could you just cruise at a low dose of test until ready to blast again? and then re-introduce the nolva and HCG

Thanks in advance

Hi Shadow, what’s your advise on post contest rebound cycle? It’s after pre contest cycle straight jump into post contest cycle rebound?
The day after the show?