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Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0


#1

My first thread has reached it's limit so I'll be answering questions here now.

If you want to ask me a question please make sure it's not something that has been asked before. A lot of people are following this and interested in learning new information so asking something that's already been answered gets frustrating for myself and the other readers. Please make sure to read everything first!

If you are asking advice about your own competition prep, please post a current picture. (You can cover your face and tattoos) I want to give you reliable information so give me the tools to do it right.

There's a lot of valuable information in the first thread of mine. If you are new here you can go back and read to get caught up with where we're at here...


#2

Shadow! I won my division at the show I was doing. Appreciated your tips! My legs looked much drier and I wasn’t hokding water like normal.


#3

Shadow,

I have several questions for you…

  1. I see that you’ve recommended Cialis as part of PCT… wouldn’t that simply cover up an ED problems that one might have from not recovering properly?

  2. As far as Nolvadex on cycle instead of an AI, wouldn’t you be concerned with the increased SHBG and decreased IGF-1, inhibiting gains from the cycle?

Thanks!


#4

Hey shadow, Is it bad to train a body part that is still a bit sore from pining. I pinned quads a few days ago and my right one is a bit sore is there any reason i shouldnt train legs today other then a bit of soreness. Like will i do any damage?


#5

Shadow,
What is your favorite flavor of Plazma? How about your second choice of flavor too?


#6

[quote]Fathermithras wrote:
Shadow! I won my division at the show I was doing. Appreciated your tips! My legs looked much drier and I wasn’t hokding water like normal.[/quote]

Congrats on your win, I am happy that I was able to help. Keep pushing hard and I’m here if you have more questions.


#7

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
Shadow,

I have several questions for you…

  1. I see that you’ve recommended Cialis as part of PCT… wouldn’t that simply cover up an ED problems that one might have from not recovering properly?

  2. As far as Nolvadex on cycle instead of an AI, wouldn’t you be concerned with the increased SHBG and decreased IGF-1, inhibiting gains from the cycle?

Thanks!
[/quote]

  1. I don’t recommend it to everyone but on a case to case basis… I’ve always used it myself, it increases serum test levels and helps with prostate issues. Cialis does NOT fix outstanding ED problems but it works in a combination with the other drugs in the PCT to help overall recovery. Once the PCT is finished and the body has resumed it’s regular balance then any erectile difficulties that were cause during the cycle should be resolved because of the pct measures.

  2. The drop in igf levels are very negligible and the benefits from using it outweigh any negatives reports. I’ve been using this for years and years… Never had any issues with gains during cycles. Never had gyno either. Using arimidex isn’t wrong either, I just prefer nolvadex as my personal choice.


#8

[quote]kenny-mccormick wrote:
Hey shadow, Is it bad to train a body part that is still a bit sore from pining. I pinned quads a few days ago and my right one is a bit sore is there any reason i shouldnt train legs today other then a bit of soreness. Like will i do any damage?[/quote]

Good Question!

No problem to train if the bodypart is sore from the injection. I think it will help it by allowing more blood flow to the area.


#9

[quote]Tweeder wrote:
Shadow,
What is your favorite flavor of Plazma? How about your second choice of flavor too?[/quote]

LIME! I prefer to switch up flavors because so that I don’t get sick of having the same thing over and over. Orange is another favorite while I’m dieting… it curbs any sweet cravings I have.


#10

ahhh now I know why my reply wouldn’t go thru last thread…

got a q regarding carbs and bulking. I plan on keeping fats low, carbs and protein high. especially if i’m put on T4.

Now for simplicity sake let’s say i’m bulking on 400g CHO, would this be a good set up?

Pre WO (Breakfast):
75g CHO

Intra:
~50g

Post WO:

Protein shake with water, possibly add carbs here? or just a shake then eat a whole food meal about 30 mins later after getting home , cooking, etc

some veggies, fruit, but predominantly starch like potatoes, white rice, wheat pasta, etc
150g

3 hours later:
more veggies, little bit more starch (25-50g worth):
75g

remaining 50g would fill up the last of my veggie intake and various fat/protein sources.

thanks boss man, very encouraged by the fact other bodybuilders have been on T4. was wondering why this cut was taking longer than usual


#11

Shadow,
Do you subscribe to there being benefits in running long esters and short esters simultaneously during an off-season cycle? For example…test cyp EOD and then throwing in prop on top of it? Do you like this practice and if so, what are the benfits of such a thing?
I’m not sure if theres much of a diff between 250mg Test 3x a week and 250mg Test 3x a week with 100mg prop 3x a week(besides the obvious 300mg bump). You could add that approximate dose in long esters I would think.

And how often do you choose to run suspension? Is it just for short cycles?


#12

Hi Shadow, Tadeu Personal from Brazil here…
First of all I should say I made all the changes you suggested me in your last post… except for the MAG-10… as I told you UNFORTUNATELY Biotest doesn’t deliver here! I have a friend in the US who sends me my Plazma, but it´s too much to ask for him to send me also MAG-10 or other stuff! I dropped the Syntha-6 though and replaced it for hydrolyzed whey protein (ISO-100 or HYDROWHEY).

In two weeks I´ll start my new cycle and have some doubts… I really appreciate if you could help me with it.

  1. My idea is to use TEST-C for 10 weeks @200mg/week. Thing is that here in Brazil I can find two types of testosterone straight from the pharmacy shelf (100% pharma lab). One is DEPOSTERON from EMS, which consists of 200mg of test cypionate per ampoule. The other is DURATESTON from ORGANON, which consists of 30mg of test propionate, 60mg of test phenyl-proprionate, 60mg of test isocaproate, 100mg test decanoate - 250mg total per ampoule.
    Do you think it would be better to mix them? If so, how would be the best mix for gains, half-life, tappering, and other issues related to the cycle? The idea is to keep @200mg/week even if I had to mix the compound.

  2. Last time I use TEST-C I told you I was using also 25mg of CLOMID everyday to prevent any shutdown of my HPT axis… What do you think about that? Do you know anyone who have ever tried something similar (I mean, not bodybuilders of course, but recreational users)?

  3. I can run blood work every week if desirable, do you think it could help me at all? I mean, my main concern about taking CLOMID everyday would be not having my HPT axis shutdown… how long would take to have my FSH and LH levels decreased by using exogenous test?

  4. Last one also on the CLOMID dept… you usually suggest HCG 250UI 2-3x week during cycles… don´t you think CLOMID would have a similar effect in lower doses (@25mg/day)? Then you would finish a cycle ?less shutdown? and could have a PCT with NOLVA, Alpha Male, etc.

Once again thanks for all the help and info


#13

What’s up shadow,
I asked you in the first thread about running an aggressive pct or hopping on a moderate cycle due to a low test level from previous dumb oral only.
I decided I’m going to hop on because i just came across a source who gets human/pharma grade gear.
He hooked me up with 25 amps of organon sust, arimidex, and hcg.
We discussed before about starting as moderate as possible because I’ve been living with low t for a couple years now.
Was wondering what you would advise for a 10 week cycle with this on hand. My diet, training, and supplementation are all on point. I train my ass off and have managed to make gains even with test levels in the mid 300’s.
I was think of doing 375mg a week split into three shots to start. .5mg adex eod and 250iu hcg bi weekly

Do you think this dose is too low?

Thanks as always for your input, here is a recent pic again to show you where I’m at


#14

Hello Shadow, Im a men physique competitor from chile. i just competed in the olympia amateur LA in acapulco an placed in the top 6. not bad for my first international competition.

I firmly believe in MAG-10 protein efectiveness, and tomorrow i will recieve 3 bottles of Plazma, in order to follow your proposed protocols, so im very exited!!

I read all the 45 pages of your post many times, and i think you are a genius! congrats!and thank you for answering all the questions!!

here are some doubts i still have, hopefully you can answer them too, and sorry about my english, but my native language is spanish!:S

anyway, here they are:

1- Does sleep schedule matters for CNS recovery and overall progress? for example: is sleeping every night from 3AM to 11AM worse than sleeping from 11PM to 7AM?
(provided you still get 8 hrs quality sleep, is the time of the day revelant?)

2- When on cycle, sometimes it is dificult to some people to fall asleep, even with 4 caps of Z12 (me for example). if that happens, is it better to try a very very low dose of quetiapine (6mg for example which i found is extremely effective) or low dose benzo(i know it is addictive) in order to get the rest/sleep needed, or is it better to sleep bad for days without these drugs?

3- Is injectable winstrol effective even if you drink it, instead of injecting it?(due to post injection pain) i know it is an old question but no pro has really given a good answer about this. it would be nice that you clarify it once and for all.

4- what do you think of Semi fasted (MAG-10 only) incline walk? is it more effective in a fat burning protocol than having breakfast, train, and then do the walk? i know you recommend doing the conditioning anytime, but is there an advantage in the above protocol or not?

5- Whats your opinion on consuming fats and carbs in the same meal? some say its better to have the carbs and fats in separate meals in order to avoid any fat gain due to carb induced insulin release, but ive seen your proposed meal plans and some include mct oil with carbs in the same meal, any thoughts?

6- Is a low dose t3 (lets say 12,5mcg) effective and safe for female use, or is a womans thyroid more fragile and screwable than mens? if so, what protocol do you recommend and think is safe for females to use in order to aid in fat loss?

7- is a low dose T3 (12,5mcg) advisable for long term use on males? does it causes any supression or just a boost to the natural thyroid output?

8- If your diet allows it, is consuming 400-500gr of protein a day for months any bad for your health (kidney stress, liver, etc?)

9- Do you do static stretching? if so, before, after or intra workout?

10- Do you think isometric holds are effective to contribute in hypertrophy and strenght? do you use them?

11- Are specialization routines more effective for enhanced athletes, or do your recommend on focusing on full body growth routines when on PEDs?

12- Is Mesotherapy(mesostabyl, artichoke extract, etc) effective in helping loose the last layers of fat, (usually in the belly)? do your recommend it?

13- I always get nervous before a competition, and suffer from reflux and stomach pain. is omeprazole pre-competition counterproductive (physique -wise)?

14- You havent mentioned frontloads of long esthers in your posts, do you think they are effective?

15- Is it normal to get sleepy when using humalog? does this side effect vanish when using it regularly?

16- Soy lecithin granules, any good for the brain- mood?

17- you mentioned 5HTP as a mood enhancer. any other natural mood enhancer that comes to your mind?

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT AND DEDICATION TO US READERS, YOU REALLY GAVE LIFE TO THIS FORUM!!!


#15

[quote]SauceMonkey wrote:
ahhh now I know why my reply wouldn’t go thru last thread…

got a q regarding carbs and bulking. I plan on keeping fats low, carbs and protein high. especially if i’m put on T4.

Now for simplicity sake let’s say i’m bulking on 400g CHO, would this be a good set up?

Pre WO (Breakfast):
75g CHO

Intra:
~50g

Post WO:

Protein shake with water, possibly add carbs here? or just a shake then eat a whole food meal about 30 mins later after getting home , cooking, etc

some veggies, fruit, but predominantly starch like potatoes, white rice, wheat pasta, etc
150g

3 hours later:
more veggies, little bit more starch (25-50g worth):
75g

remaining 50g would fill up the last of my veggie intake and various fat/protein sources.

thanks boss man, very encouraged by the fact other bodybuilders have been on T4. was wondering why this cut was taking longer than usual[/quote]

Here’s what I would change:
-intraworkout carbs, 100-120 from Plazma
-30 min after workout, 1.5servings MAG-10 (15g carbs)
-30min after MAG-10 eat a solid meal of protein and 100g from starchy carbs.
The rest of the carbs can be eaten in small amounts In your remaining meals, 25-50g… Keep the 75g in the morning.

The idea behind this is to keep the majority of your carbs in the window around your workout, the biggest part of these carbs are consumed intraworkout because it’s the best time for your body to absorb the nutrients. The rest of the day should be small amounts spread throughout your other meals.


#16

[quote]Tweeder wrote:
Shadow,
Do you subscribe to there being benefits in running long esters and short esters simultaneously during an off-season cycle? For example…test cyp EOD and then throwing in prop on top of it? Do you like this practice and if so, what are the benfits of such a thing?
I’m not sure if theres much of a diff between 250mg Test 3x a week and 250mg Test 3x a week with 100mg prop 3x a week(besides the obvious 300mg bump). You could add that approximate dose in long esters I would think.

And how often do you choose to run suspension? Is it just for short cycles?[/quote]

I would determine this on a case to case basis… For instance, I might give this to someone if they are in the middle of a cycle and hit a plateau. For example, ad an extra 300mg of test-p or tren-a. It seems like the bodies receptors act a LITTLE bit different for Long and short esters so it might work to break a plateau mid cycle for a period of about 2-3 weeks. I won’t do this on a regular basis but if I want to push someone’s weight or strength up and nothing else works, I’ll use this method.

I only run test suspension precontest, maybe for the last 3-4weeks.


#17

[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:
Hi Shadow, Tadeu Personal from Brazil here…
First of all I should say I made all the changes you suggested me in your last post… except for the MAG-10… as I told you UNFORTUNATELY Biotest doesn’t deliver here! I have a friend in the US who sends me my Plazma, but it´s too much to ask for him to send me also MAG-10 or other stuff! I dropped the Syntha-6 though and replaced it for hydrolyzed whey protein (ISO-100 or HYDROWHEY).

In two weeks I´ll start my new cycle and have some doubts… I really appreciate if you could help me with it.

  1. My idea is to use TEST-C for 10 weeks @200mg/week. Thing is that here in Brazil I can find two types of testosterone straight from the pharmacy shelf (100% pharma lab). One is DEPOSTERON from EMS, which consists of 200mg of test cypionate per ampoule. The other is DURATESTON from ORGANON, which consists of 30mg of test propionate, 60mg of test phenyl-proprionate, 60mg of test isocaproate, 100mg test decanoate - 250mg total per ampoule.
    Do you think it would be better to mix them? If so, how would be the best mix for gains, half-life, tappering, and other issues related to the cycle? The idea is to keep @200mg/week even if I had to mix the compound.

  2. Last time I use TEST-C I told you I was using also 25mg of CLOMID everyday to prevent any shutdown of my HPT axis… What do you think about that? Do you know anyone who have ever tried something similar (I mean, not bodybuilders of course, but recreational users)?

  3. I can run blood work every week if desirable, do you think it could help me at all? I mean, my main concern about taking CLOMID everyday would be not having my HPT axis shutdown… how long would take to have my FSH and LH levels decreased by using exogenous test?

  4. Last one also on the CLOMID dept… you usually suggest HCG 250UI 2-3x week during cycles… don´t you think CLOMID would have a similar effect in lower doses (@25mg/day)? Then you would finish a cycle ?less shutdown? and could have a PCT with NOLVA, Alpha Male, etc.

Once again thanks for all the help and info
[/quote]

  1. Don’t use the mixed compound, just use the test-c. At such a low dose you want to keep it stable in your body.

  2. I would use Proviron instead. Use 25-50mg/day, this will be a better option. Clomid might work but I’ve never tried it myself… There’s some logic to it.

  3. This is why I’m advising to use the 250iu of HCG 2x/week during the cycle. It will keep you safe from any shutdown. Everybody is different with regards to shutting down, it’s very individual so I can’t give you an exact answer for this.

  4. Again, it might work but it’s not the same thing. I would use clomid post cycle and HCG during the cycle.


#18

[quote]cronbeast90 wrote:
What’s up shadow,
I asked you in the first thread about running an aggressive pct or hopping on a moderate cycle due to a low test level from previous dumb oral only.
I decided I’m going to hop on because i just came across a source who gets human/pharma grade gear.
He hooked me up with 25 amps of organon sust, arimidex, and hcg.
We discussed before about starting as moderate as possible because I’ve been living with low t for a couple years now.
Was wondering what you would advise for a 10 week cycle with this on hand. My diet, training, and supplementation are all on point. I train my ass off and have managed to make gains even with test levels in the mid 300’s.
I was think of doing 375mg a week split into three shots to start. .5mg adex eod and 250iu hcg bi weekly

Do you think this dose is too low?

Thanks as always for your input, here is a recent pic again to show you where I’m at
[/quote]

This is perfect, it’s not too low. I think you will get great gains from this… Remember there’s always time to do higher doses so keep it low to begin with and you’ll be better off.

Thank you for attaching the photo. Keep me posted.

By the way, you’ve done great progress up until now and I think this cycle will give you a good boost so keep pushing.


#19

Hey Shadow

-You said, you go with high carb and low fat, when bulking on Test P and Tren A. What if your bulking on Test only, would the diet be different then.??

-Do you have problem with insomnia and on Tren.??

-Have you ever dealt with anxiety.? I do sometimes, but the use of 5-htp and GABA helps alot. Maybe you have some tricks.??

Just read your article on bodybuilding. It’s very good reading, and i hope they will change the rules to it.

Thanks


#20

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]SauceMonkey wrote:
ahhh now I know why my reply wouldn’t go thru last thread…

got a q regarding carbs and bulking. I plan on keeping fats low, carbs and protein high. especially if i’m put on T4.

Now for simplicity sake let’s say i’m bulking on 400g CHO, would this be a good set up?

Pre WO (Breakfast):
75g CHO

Intra:
~50g

Post WO:

Protein shake with water, possibly add carbs here? or just a shake then eat a whole food meal about 30 mins later after getting home , cooking, etc

some veggies, fruit, but predominantly starch like potatoes, white rice, wheat pasta, etc
150g

3 hours later:
more veggies, little bit more starch (25-50g worth):
75g

remaining 50g would fill up the last of my veggie intake and various fat/protein sources.

thanks boss man, very encouraged by the fact other bodybuilders have been on T4. was wondering why this cut was taking longer than usual[/quote]

Here’s what I would change:
-intraworkout carbs, 100-120 from Plazma
-30 min after workout, 1.5servings MAG-10 (15g carbs)
-30min after MAG-10 eat a solid meal of protein and 100g from starchy carbs.
The rest of the carbs can be eaten in small amounts In your remaining meals, 25-50g… Keep the 75g in the morning.

The idea behind this is to keep the majority of your carbs in the window around your workout, the biggest part of these carbs are consumed intraworkout because it’s the best time for your body to absorb the nutrients. The rest of the day should be small amounts spread throughout your other meals.[/quote]

thanks shadow!

can’t wait to start reverse dieting and gaining, i appreciate the time