I believe Gregron was posting for the lulz and not to be a “d-bag”…Actually, I think you recommending that the OP discontinue resistance training for the time being was one of your finer points.
Perhaps suggesting:
-walking barefoot in the grass
-yoga
-chi gong
-make music
-make love
-meditate
-dancing
is what brought on the flames. A few too many… um…odd…activities to be suggested in one post on a predominantly meathead website IMHO
^^bingo 
I know this site is now the official stronghold of virgins and the chronically dateless, but …
[quote]Headache wrote:
-make love
A few too many… um…odd …activities to be suggested in one post on a predominantly meathead website IMHO
[/quote]
really? thats an odd activity?
OP : Have you been gaining fat in the FACE and/or neck in addition to your gut? Did you notice any spots appearing anywhere on your body?
No not an odd activity at all but when its worded the way it was and bookended with the other activities named it could be seen as adding to the peculiarity of the post…
You might have sleep apnea (I think that’s what it is). But like several people have said GO TO A DOCTOR. Have them check everything. See an endocrinologist and any other specialists that might have answers. This seems like less of an overtraining issue and more of a serious health issue. The only time I felt like you do is when I had chronic mononucleosis and was sleeping for upwards of 16hrs a day. Would almost pass out after 1 100m sprint. So, go see a doctor. Ask them to do a full blood work, and talk to them about all of your symptoms…
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]seekonk wrote:
The harder I train the worse I sleep, and trying to eat more to help recovery also ruins my sleep. I have seen several guys complain of this in forums in the past. Nobody ever had a good answer for this as far as I can remember, and nobody ever posts updates so I really don’t know if anyone found a solution other than training less. I am at the point where after many years of this I just gave up and use sleep medication. [/quote]
When do you lift? Do you use stims? Do you drink coffee?
I’ve heard GREAT things about ZMA (sold here on this site) for helping with sleep.[/quote]
3 ZMA and 2 Z12, I sleep like a baby.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]seekonk wrote:
The harder I train the worse I sleep, and trying to eat more to help recovery also ruins my sleep. I have seen several guys complain of this in forums in the past. Nobody ever had a good answer for this as far as I can remember, and nobody ever posts updates so I really don’t know if anyone found a solution other than training less. I am at the point where after many years of this I just gave up and use sleep medication. [/quote]
When do you lift? Do you use stims? Do you drink coffee?
I’ve heard GREAT things about ZMA (sold here on this site) for helping with sleep.[/quote]
3 ZMA and 2 Z12, I sleep like a baby.[/quote]
Thank you, but of course I tried ZMA and all the other low hanging fruit over the years before going on to the serious stuff. ZMA has not the slightest effect on me unfortunately.
Ok guys,
So i went to the doctors and my morning cortisol checked in at 10.7 ug/dl at 8:00 am. I also check My dhea which was 4.8 ng/ml…I thought both were low but my doctors doesn’t seem to think there is a problem but I pushed him into referring me to a hormone specialist because I know something isn’t right.
I also had a stress test done and my heart responded fine but my resting heart rate is at like 90 bpm when standing and goes down to like 55 bpm when sitting (when i lay in bed in the morning my heart rate will be around 50bpm and when I stand for a minute it will go over 100 bpm)… I have the appointment with the hormone specialist today and I will be sure to keep you guys updated because I feel it might be beneficial for anyone experiencing similar problems…
I’ve tried every sleep med under the sun and nothing will put me down for more then 3 hours before waking. I’ve also stopped all exercise and have been eating about 3000 cal a day. This whole thing sucks and hope no one buys into the notion that you can just continually train day in and day out without eventually experiencing negative consequences.
Mark
[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
I know this site is now the official stronghold of virgins and the chronically dateless, but …
[quote]Headache wrote:
-make love
A few too many… um…odd …activities to be suggested in one post on a predominantly meathead website IMHO
[/quote]
really? thats an odd activity?
OP : Have you been gaining fat in the FACE and/or neck in addition to your gut? Did you notice any spots appearing anywhere on your body?[/quote]
yea it seems like my face got really puffy almost like water retention.
[quote]seekonk wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]seekonk wrote:
The harder I train the worse I sleep, and trying to eat more to help recovery also ruins my sleep. I have seen several guys complain of this in forums in the past. Nobody ever had a good answer for this as far as I can remember, and nobody ever posts updates so I really don’t know if anyone found a solution other than training less. I am at the point where after many years of this I just gave up and use sleep medication. [/quote]
When do you lift? Do you use stims? Do you drink coffee?
I’ve heard GREAT things about ZMA (sold here on this site) for helping with sleep.[/quote]
3 ZMA and 2 Z12, I sleep like a baby.[/quote]
Thank you, but of course I tried ZMA and all the other low hanging fruit over the years before going on to the serious stuff. ZMA has not the slightest effect on me unfortunately.
[/quote]
You can take a melatonin also, I personnel don’t, but I have in the past.
Have you had a sleep test done?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Have you had a sleep test done?[/quote]
No not yet…I’m literally on my way to the hormone specialist right now but if he can’t find anything then that will be my next move
[quote]mark326 wrote:
This whole thing sucks and hope no one buys into the notion that you can just continually train day in and day out without eventually experiencing negative consequences.
Mark[/quote]
Consider that what you are experiencing may not be a consequence of excessive exercise, but rather another health issue. Constantly attributing your symptoms to over-training may make it difficult (psychologically) for you to get back into regular exercise once you have sorted the problem.
Be open minded and realise that many people have incredibly physically demanding jobs and/or exercise programs and don’t experience the same issues. That’s not to say exercise isn’t a factor, but it will surely not be the only factor. The body is so complex and finely tuned that proving cause and effect is often extremely difficult.
Best of luck.
[quote]mark326 wrote:
This whole thing sucks and hope no one buys into the notion that you can just continually train day in and day out without eventually experiencing negative consequences.
[/quote]
Hasn’t bothered me. I don’t think your troubles are training related.
OP, I had similar sleeping issues before and it drove me nuts. I regressed during my workouts, cardiovascular sucked, wired and tired all day, get up to pee AND drink water constantly. I tried everything from cortisol reducing herbs, licorice, pregnenolone, Seriphos, dessicated organs, melatonin, magnesium, vitamin D, etc. etc. Doctor prescribed me with primary insomnia and gave me Trazodone.
I can’t stand how doctors prescribe anti depressants when they should be exhausting all other natural, less harmful possibilities first.
The cure for me to sleep like a baby again and maybe worthwhile for you to look into, I:
–Stopped working out for a month (I was regressing every time I went…working out is even more stress on a stressed body, and sleeping 3 hours wasn’t helping.)
–Inhaled sea salt. I put it on everything and even sprinkled it straight in my mouth. If you’re seriously feeling the symptoms of adrenal insufficiency, aldosterone is altered and affecting electrolyte balance if I remember correctly.
–Quit using all ace-K and sucralose (Splenda) products (check your protein powder, it’s probably loaded with it.) Google insomnia and splenda/sucralose. Many believe that it is not harmful but others believe it did cure their insomnia when they gave it all up. I’m not saying it’s good or bad, I was just desperate to sleep well again so I gave it a try.
[quote]James Brown wrote:
[quote]mark326 wrote:
This whole thing sucks and hope no one buys into the notion that you can just continually train day in and day out without eventually experiencing negative consequences.
Mark[/quote]
Consider that what you are experiencing may not be a consequence of excessive exercise, but rather another health issue. [/quote]
This is indeed something that should be taken into account. I had what I thought was overtraining for quite a while before it was diagnosed as an autoimmune issue that is manageable with medication. These things don’t get diagnosed, though, unless you go to the appropriate specialist.
[quote]oso0690 wrote:
OP, I had similar sleeping issues before and it drove me nuts. I regressed during my workouts, cardiovascular sucked, wired and tired all day, get up to pee AND drink water constantly. I tried everything from cortisol reducing herbs, licorice, pregnenolone, Seriphos, dessicated organs, melatonin, magnesium, vitamin D, etc. etc. Doctor prescribed me with primary insomnia and gave me Trazodone.
I can’t stand how doctors prescribe anti depressants when they should be exhausting all other natural, less harmful possibilities first.
The cure for me to sleep like a baby again and maybe worthwhile for you to look into, I:
–Stopped working out for a month (I was regressing every time I went…working out is even more stress on a stressed body, and sleeping 3 hours wasn’t helping.)
–Inhaled sea salt. I put it on everything and even sprinkled it straight in my mouth. If you’re seriously feeling the symptoms of adrenal insufficiency, aldosterone is altered and affecting electrolyte balance if I remember correctly.
–Quit using all ace-K and sucralose (Splenda) products (check your protein powder, it’s probably loaded with it.) Google insomnia and splenda/sucralose. Many believe that it is not harmful but others believe it did cure their insomnia when they gave it all up. I’m not saying it’s good or bad, I was just desperate to sleep well again so I gave it a try.
[/quote]
Thanks for responding it helps to know that others have experienced and overcame similar symptoms…I have an appointment set up with a sleep specialist in about a week but I’m definitely going to give the sea salt a try!
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]mark326 wrote:
This whole thing sucks and hope no one buys into the notion that you can just continually train day in and day out without eventually experiencing negative consequences.
[/quote]
Hasn’t bothered me. I don’t think your troubles are training related.[/quote]
Given how little he was eating it certainly could be. Whether you want to argue semantics about how diet isn’t training related, if he weren’t doing what he was(running 2 miles daily on top of sprint work and weightlifting) then 2500 calories isn’t at all ridiculous for a 160lb kid.
Also, you aren’t him. Neither is your friend. It is entirely possible that it was too much work for him. Now he won’t know until he gets everything figured out and back in the gym feeling proper, and hopefully eating more next time around.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]mark326 wrote:
This whole thing sucks and hope no one buys into the notion that you can just continually train day in and day out without eventually experiencing negative consequences.
[/quote]
Hasn’t bothered me. I don’t think your troubles are training related.[/quote]
Given how little he was eating it certainly could be. Whether you want to argue semantics about how diet isn’t training related, if he weren’t doing what he was(running 2 miles daily on top of sprint work and weightlifting) then 2500 calories isn’t at all ridiculous for a 160lb kid.
Also, you aren’t him. Neither is your friend. It is entirely possible that it was too much work for him. Now he won’t know until he gets everything figured out and back in the gym feeling proper, and hopefully eating more next time around.[/quote]
I also failed to mention I’ve been into fitness and sports since an extremely young age probably around 13 I’m 23 now and honestly I haven’t worked out or anything in about a week which is the longest time I’ve taken off.