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Serious Advice with Supps Please!

so when i was 18 i took a PH it did wonders for me put 70 pounds on my bench 110 on my deadlift and 100 on my squat i loved it i was gaining muscle all over the place getting compliments and everything (main reason i did it was for wrestling) then when i stopped the cycle i took my pct and after that went on with lifting the same (got some gyno while on it and still have it a little)

but i have recently gone natural since cycling off of pheragen (the PH i took) i have been dieting hard and training hard, my lifts haven’t gone up that much, so now i want to get on a supplement that isn’t a PH but powerful were i will see noticeable gains and muscle mass. could anyone help me please?

steak, bacon, eggs, and potatoes.

Creatine. Once you dick around with hormones though it will be hard to compare other supps. Creatine is the only one I can think of that will give you a quick performance boost, though it won’t touch prohormomes.

ya currently taking creatine glutamine protein casein multi and fish oil. should of mentioned those

OP,
You’ve already “crossed over” and have experienced the incredible benifits that PH/AAS can provide… I’m sorry to tell you but any over te counter supps that you try will not compare favorably to what you’ve already taken.

Your best bet is to reall dial in your diet. Get your nutrition down pat and go from there. If you are the kind of person who “needs” to be taking supps then check out the Biotest store and look at their Peri-Workout nutrition stuff.

My recommendation would be to fine tune your diet and spend more money on whole foods but that’s just my opinion.

Good luck.

[quote]spyderboys wrote:
so when i was 18 i took a PH[/quote]
You turned 19 three months ago. Just to clarify for the rest of us.

As per your previous threads, in May of this year you were 6’1" and 188 pounds. Two months later, you were 6’1" and 185 pounds while training MMA 5 days a week and lifting 4 days a week.

Bearing this in mind, wannabebig250’s advice is absolutely correct. That’s what you need to focus on. Not prohormones or any other supplements that may or may not be like PHs.

Also, what exactly is your goal? Last month, you were talking about getting down to the 170s while also building muscle.

[quote]spyderboys wrote:
I have have been dieting hard and training hard, my lifts haven’t gone up that much, so now i want to get on a supplement that isn’t a PH but powerful were i will see noticeable gains and muscle mass. could anyone help me please?[/quote]

As a former wrestler I assume you understand the effect diet has on gaining/cutting/strength et cetera.

To answer your actual question about supps, you won’t find any that work as noticeably as ph. Creatine will give the next bang for your buck imo considering performance boosts you are asking for. Just be patient and work hard. I don’t know your previous goals but if weight loss is one of them, you going to have to re-think your arsenal.

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]spyderboys wrote:
so when i was 18 i took a PH[/quote]
You turned 19 three months ago. Just to clarify for the rest of us.

As per your previous threads, in May of this year you were 6’1" and 188 pounds. Two months later, you were 6’1" and 185 pounds while training MMA 5 days a week and lifting 4 days a week.

Bearing this in mind, wannabebig250’s advice is absolutely correct. That’s what you need to focus on. Not prohormones or any other supplements that may or may not be like PHs.

Also, what exactly is your goal? Last month, you were talking about getting down to the 170s while also building muscle.[/quote]
i like you, you did some research thats cool ha! but yes my goal the past months was to get to 177 and get as strong and ripped as possible, but i felt so “lean” i didnt really like it i want buldging muscle i would like to weigh 200 and when i fight weigh in at 185. my diet is pretty good i eat clean foods and alot of it, dont get me wrong i eat my fair share of junk food every once in a while. but for my sport i dont need to be bulky and huge with muscle. but i want to be big and strong as possible. kind of like brian orakpo!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMFbR7kDy8&list=PL252542EFF9CEFACE&index=1&feature=plpp_video

Beta alanine and the Anaconda products

[quote]spyderboys wrote:
my goal the past months was to get to 177 and get as strong and ripped as possible, but i felt so “lean” i didnt really like it i want buldging muscle i would like to weigh 200 and when i fight weigh in at 185.

… kind of like brian orakpo!!![/quote]
That dude is like 6’4" and 260. How about we model your training goals after someone slightly more relatable. Rich Franklin, above, is 6’1" and a lean 185 in that pic. He supposedly walks around 210-ish.

You’re simply not going to have “bulging muscles” at your height and under 200, so your goals are kinda conflicted. I’m certainly not trying to tell you to “settle” or anything, but if MMA is your long-term number one priority, then understand that looking like a bodybuilder or over-prioritizing size is contradictory to that. There are obviously fighters that have pretty solid physiques, but it’s your height/weight class combo that are throwing the biggest wrench in the works.

What, exactly, did you eat yesterday?

Then you’ll need to train and eat accordingly. I get that you need to maintain your MMA practice,
I suggest you check out Joe DeFranco’s Westside for Skinny Bastards routine. It’s intentionally designed to help athletes gain size and strength in the offseason (any period of several months when you have no fights). If you’re still going to have several hours of MMA training per week, try to schedule that as the “skill training” sessions he talked about at the end:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]spyderboys wrote:

You’re simply not going to have “bulging muscles” at your height and under 200, so your goals are kinda conflicted. I’m certainly not trying to tell you to “settle” or anything, but if MMA is your long-term number one priority, then understand that looking like a bodybuilder or over-prioritizing size is contradictory to that. There are obviously fighters that have pretty solid physiques, but it’s your height/weight class combo that are throwing the biggest wrench in the works.

  • very true excellent points. by the way that rich franklin picture is more ideal thank you.

What, exactly, did you eat yesterday?

-breakfast 1 cup egg whites 2 yolks, chobani greek yogurt
After training- protein oat meal, 1 cup dry oats 1 1/4 cup 1% milk 1.5 scoops of whey protein
2 hours later- 5 oz chicken breast, rice, green beans
2 hours later protein shake
2 hours later- some type of lean meat maybe a wrap or lean steak with some carbs
casein shake

Then you’ll need to train and eat accordingly. I get that you need to maintain your MMA practice,
I suggest you check out Joe DeFranco’s Westside for Skinny Bastards routine. It’s intentionally designed to help athletes gain size and strength in the offseason (any period of several months when you have no fights). If you’re still going to have several hours of MMA training per week, try to schedule that as the “skill training” sessions he talked about at the end:


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thank you for that article will start reading!!! love this help very nice of you to take your time out to help me out