I got curious about Abs speed so i did 30 reps in 90 sec. using normal/high reps speed. Then i tought why not do a set so i did 100. I will likely add 25 daily.
Sweet dreams
[quote]Bradley Joe Kelly wrote:
[quote]alin wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
A little visual inspiration for you guys.[/quote]
I asked the author on the livespill if he believed that Serge was natural (he says it in the article) as he went head to head with Arnold, et al. Never got a reply.
What do you guys think?[/quote]
I did not respond for two reasons
- In the end no one really knows, but Serge was on a very small island and had a championship physique in the late 50s. Logic would say drugs were not available to him before he developed most of his physique . Later in his career who knows.
2.Discussiing drugs attracts people I do not care to talk to, people who makes excuses for why they are not successful with training and bitter people. People these days are more concerned with drugs then training abd that is why I think natural training gas taken a step backwards. The truth is people benched 500 and had awesome physiques in the 30s, 40s and 50s naturally. Now it is rarer then even then.
Trust me when talking about drugs it is impossible to keep the discussion mature ( look at the guy above me) and it just wastes time.
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Lighten up dude.
[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
[quote]alin wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
A little visual inspiration for you guys.[/quote]
I asked the author on the livespill if he believed that Serge was natural (he says it in the article) as he went head to head with Arnold, et al. Never got a reply.
What do you guys think?[/quote]
No.[/quote]
QFT
Sarev0k,
There may have been wacky claims by the 70âs bodybuilders, but donât forget the 70âs were a time of discovery in bbing. A lot of new ground had been broken and many theories were tried out and some were successful. The countless sets and reps used by guys like Arnold and Serge Nubret were of course moderate weights not taken to failure. Conversely, we had guys like Mike Mentzer using a HIT style routine with heavy weights taken to failure on relatively few sets.
[quote]BHappy wrote:
I got curious about Abs speed so i did 30 reps in 90 sec. using normal/high reps speed. Then i tought why not do a set so i did 100. I will likely add 25 daily.
Sweet dreams [/quote]
Lol. You do not HAVE to do the ab work like he did, but its pretty interesting. I read in.someones book ( forgot whos) he looked like a machine just tied to the floor. Up down up downâŠit did take him a year to build up to 2000 and he never did more though. Guy who visited him in Paris saw him do it at 68 years old though.
[quote]BHappy wrote:
Over the coming days and weeks we can share our successes and ask each other questions as they will surely pop-up.
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This is what the OP asked for this thread. Nothing else.
Not if Serge used drug or if he was full of shit.
Does every thread on this website have to end up fucked?
Alin, Bryan, Sarev0k, leave it be, hundreds of other threads you can clutter.
My typical training is built around neurally demanding low-rep strength work. Iâm looking at using this type of training intermittently as a neural deload.
This low intensity, high volume method lends itself well to at home bodyweight training which I find very practical.
I do not intend to do the program as written, but rather am extracting these useful key concepts:
Lots of sets and reps, therefore, lots of volume
Stay well clear of failure
Take advantage of the low neural demand of lighter loads and avoiding failure to use high frequency
Those simple principles have a long proven history. Pavelâs âRussian Bearâ program and John McCallumâs âHigh Set, High Proteinâ program come to mind.
Iâve been feeling neurally fatigued from heavy training. This will provide a rest from that. Iâve also been dieting and am feeling drained from low calories. Upping my training volume with this method will allow me to eat more thereby providing some relief from that.
I will daily alternate upper/lower sessions. I will use different exercises throughout the week to provide healthy variety for my joints and varied stimulation for my muscles.
I intend to initially try this for about two weeks as a deload and as a trial run. Iâm interested in seeing what happens during these two weeks, and also what effects this will have when I return to my usual schedule.
Serge Nubret is my favorite bbâer of all time, Iâm pretty sure training like him wonât get me anywhere near his physique but it was a refreshing read on how he trained.
However, to those who are sensitive to the issues of anabolic use, grow up.
And to those who actually thinks heâs naturalâŠI am speechless.
I am on day three and am dedicated to 4-6weeks at least. Have made exercise substitutions only where absolutely necessary for previously injured joints. Tomorrow is day three. Chest is sore to touch today. I could only use 145lbs for bench and am 315lbs bencher.The mindfuck is the hardest part, using light weight while watching others hit prâs is tough. I took measurements day one and will report my progress.
I too plan to eventually alternate maybe 6 weeks high volume, a few weeks higher intensity.
Here is a link about researchs showing positive results with 30 percent loads.
danogborn.com/training/30/
Yesterday i started noting my heart beat 5 minutes after waking up, being seated 1 min., 44. This morning was the same.
Ill be contributing here myself very soon, i have one more week of my current high intensity moderate volume cycle before i switch to this routine. looking forward to seeing how everyone elses progresses here.
By the way, Iâm a native speaker of French, so if there are doubts about something important he said, please send me the excerpt, and I can try to make it out.
[quote]Doh wrote:
However, to those who are sensitive to the issues of anabolic use, grow up.
And to those who actually thinks heâs naturalâŠI am speechless.
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I hope no one was offended by my original post, thatâs just my sense of humor, which this board seems to lack(See above posters 
)
Like I said before, Iâm a big IFBB guy, so of course thereâs talk of steroid usage, and i have 0% problem with that. Just Donât lie about it lol.
[quote]IAmMarqaos wrote:
This is what the OP asked for this thread. Nothing else.
Not if Serge used drug or if he was full of shit.
Does every thread on this website have to end up fucked? [/quote]
I agree with thisâŠand Sarveoc, it has nothing to do with people being offended by the use of steroids. There is no reason for every single thread to fall into âhe uses steroidsââŠas if the rest of us are unaware or that needs to be the main focus of every thread. Most of the times when this comes up it is SPECULATION anyway. You may be able to claim someone âlikelyâ uses steroids, but to jump out with this âHE USED STEROIDS!!â nonsense is something you would normally see on a site NOT dedicated to building large amounts of muscle.
This thread had NOTHING to do with whether someone has or has not used steroids. It was about a specific program and article.
You may call it a âsense of humorâ, but the problems with making that the main focus in every thread is it results in even more people thinking steroids should be the main focus when talking about ANYONEâS training. That is why so few people are getting very big lately. I understand that as new people enter bodybuilding, the concepts will be influenced, but holy shit, no one needs this discussed in this way all of the fucking time.
As for âlying about itâ as you put it, you donât know what that manâs life involved that might be influenced by making that statement public just to please you whether he had or hadnât. I believe Serge was a mid-grade actor overseas. I wouldnât expect a politician to do that either.
In other wordsâŠit is pretty juvenile to demand that in todayâs societyâŠyet way too many of you do it because you donât see this vuirtual world as ârealâ at allâŠyet.
Excuse the rant, but I feel someone had to say it.
honestlyâŠwho doesnt love a good pump?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]IAmMarqaos wrote:
This is what the OP asked for this thread. Nothing else.
Not if Serge used drug or if he was full of shit.
Does every thread on this website have to end up fucked? [/quote]
I agree with thisâŠand Sarveoc, it has nothing to do with people being offended by the use of steroids. There is no reason for every single thread to fall into âhe uses steroidsââŠas if the rest of us are unaware or that needs to be the main focus of every thread. Most of the times when this comes up it is SPECULATION anyway. You may be able to claim someone âlikelyâ uses steroids, but to jump out with this âHE USED STEROIDS!!â nonsense is something you would normally see on a site NOT dedicated to building large amounts of muscle.
This thread had NOTHING to do with whether someone has or has not used steroids. It was about a specific program and article.
You may call it a âsense of humorâ, but the problems with making that the main focus in every thread is it results in even more people thinking steroids should be the main focus when talking about ANYONEâS training. That is why so few people are getting very big lately. I understand that as new people enter bodybuilding, the concepts will be influenced, but holy shit, no one needs this discussed in this way all of the fucking time.
As for âlying about itâ as you put it, you donât know what that manâs life involved that might be influenced by making that statement public just to please you whether he had or hadnât. I believe Serge was a mid-grade actor overseas. I wouldnât expect a politician to do that either.
In other wordsâŠit is pretty juvenile to demand that in todayâs societyâŠyet way too many of you do it because you donât see this vuirtual world as ârealâ at allâŠyet.
Excuse the rant, but I feel someone had to say it.
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Exactly my point.
Plus people here are saying Serge was a 1970s bodybuilder which I do not understand , Serge started training in the 1950s . Besides the program he recommends and I listed will work for most natural trainees as it worked for me and worked for people I know.
Here are a quotes by Serge some may find helpful.
âI start traing in february 1958 in Guadeloupe one Island in the Caraibean, I was 20 years old, 3 month later I won the mister Guadeloupe contestâ
"to gain muscle it is not only about the weight you can lift, but a combine of WEIGHT-REST BETWEET SET-HOW MANY SET AND REPETITIONS YOU DO. "
âGood luck, by the second day is easier, I choose to do leg and chest monday, because after sunday, the day off you have more energy, and thursday too because it is after shoulders, arms and calf training which is not so difficult.â
"That is the kind of grip I am talking about, it is why my pecs have this shape, because you donât train so much your tricep and delt, as have said here "
NOTE : that is regarding his collar to collar t collar bench grip.
âExactly, most people think that I train with light weight, but the weight I am using become very heavy, after 2 or 3 set when you rest only 30 second. I used to take some one who train heavy, like one time with Lou after 3 sets with me he was finished.â
âThat is about 1000 times they asked me this question already, I eat when my body ask me to do so. The same thing every time my body ask me this or that food that means at this precise time I love this or that food.â
"QUESTION TO SERGE :Any advice for a man wanting to start again after 40?
Forget about your age. "
"This article is completly untrue, They never ask me to write a such article it is why I asked you for not read magazine. So why I am here for. I am the true who knows what I did not them. This article as not been wroten by Arnold but by Joe Weider. Look properly It is a socalled Serge Nubret Chest program, but you will find about 10 times Joe Weider bull**** PRINCIPAL.
I never used heavy weight in my training, it is true that I am strong, as I said I could do 225 kg on bench press, by that does not mean that I trained with heavy weight.
Serge"
"Completly right. It is why I said donât read magazines, FORUMS are the best thing that happened to our sport, because you can know the true. I did not know about this article only when Made in Montana posted it here. With Weider everything you could do in the gym is his PRINCIPLE, even the way you say HELLO or the way you go to the bath roon toâŠthat too is a Weider principle. What a guy. I wondered why he never became Mr Univers, he competed once in the NABBA Mr.Universe he fined last. His socalled program work for others but not for him?..
Serge"
âAll my life I have been training with âtank-topâ and short, so I could see my body when I was training, it exactly the way that a sculpter used to do his masterpeace. When you coved your body, you will have weaker bodypart.â
âNo for the first set you choose a weight than you can do 20 to 22 reps and then do your 6 sets with that weight 12 reps by setâ
âAs I said already, donât ever beleive pics, because often the photographer ask that or that.
I always did my situps on flat floor, leg bend and I touch my knees.â
âI never had partners, they slow me down, but sometime I did workout with Jacqueline, my Ex-wife, woman are better training partner for a ma, because they are more resistant than man, and man more powerfull, the best match.â
âNo I donât want to eliminat any question and answer, because I would like one day with the permission of the webmaster to have a book made of this thread that BB.COM can have in souvenir when I will die.â
I heard Serge did some porn in FranceâŠjust sayinââŠ
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Oh yeah he didnât use, he just took these little pink vitamins!
THis a is a 70âs era BBer, AKA full of shit. Do you really believe that nubret did 2000 sit ups a day for his abs? Do you really believe he was drug free?
I personally think he was a great BBer, but absolutely full of shit. Most people couldnât complete that workout routine. And if you look at most other 70âs era bodybuilderâs shared routines, they all are a ridiculous amount of sets and reps, usually followed by some whacked out stunt like 2000 sit ups or ODâing on HCL tablets.
Examples:
Arnold got his legs huge by bring a group of friends into the woods, getting hammered, and doing squats for hours on end.
Franco columbu popularized ingesting an extra HCL Tablet with all meals to help digest extra protein, which usually ended up with people puking and having an overtly acidic feeling in the esophagus.
Gironda: âLarge amounts of fertile eggs, is equal to the anabolic steroid Dianabol in effectiveness.â - also advocated not doing squats because it only grows your ass.
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I find it hard to believe that he was full of shit, why would a man in his 60âs/ 70âs spend hours a day on multiple forums helping people, for it to all be drivel, he wasnât necessarily gaining anything out of it.
Hi everybody Iâm going to start this routine tomorrow, and I was wondering about a few things which Iâd appreciate some advice on.
- Should an extremely wide grip be used for incline bench as well as flat bench?
- If someone canât do 20 chin ups should they substitute them for close grip lat pulldowns until they get stronger or just try to build up to 20 slowly?
- I only have a lying leg curl machine in my gym⊠Should I just do 16 sets total with this or is there a good substitute for the standing leg curl?
Thanks.
âWhen you say, everything and anything to turn pro, do you mean even to turn HOMO?â